and???
13.9 @ 103 mph
2.15 60' time
2750lbs with me in the car and 5 gallons of gas.
All others, post SEZ times!
(ill post pic of timeslip)
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13.9-103mph in 1/4 mile? what is special about that time ? thats is embarassingly slow. if you get under 9 seconds than theres something to talk about.
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1980 280ZX coupe
2001 maxima
1994 F150 4x4 van works custom truck
170000 and never needed mech repairs
1996 ford explorer -they cant all be good

Not bad at all!
Probably not the world's fastest NA L28 2+2, though...

13.9 for a N/A 2+2 isnt bad I suppose..
according to Road and Track...
your as fast as a Honda S2000 and a Ford Mustang GT
Worlds fastest n/a 2+2 ?? umm... sorry Andrew... need to do some more research
F54/P90a w Megasquirt and a Holset Hy35W
3" hand made exhuast, Large NPR intercooler, big injectors, Tokico Illuminas, Arizona Z Springs, BIG sway bars, Innovate Wideband
www.putfile.com/proxlamus

worlds fastest NA "L28 - standard bore" 2+2...and im saying it in a joking matter...i want to see a faster 2+2 to see what it has done to it.
whats so special zxtoy?
does your NA l28 run in the 13's?
Prox, you are right.....i actually raced a mustang GT down there, there are some pics...but come on, isnt bad? you and i both know thats incredible. Thats what bryan got with his super ported head and $1600 manifold....
two drivers, the old man got a 15.0 something in it, the kid driving got a mid 14, so i barely got him.
There was a S2000 there too! it squeezed out a 14.4 @99 i think....
overall a good turnout!
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Post Edited (Mar 27, 10:47am)

14.4 @ 99... That's a stock SS camaro run time. I got one down to 14.20 @ 103mph, but that was the best it would pull.
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77 280Z - TEC3 Engine Management, Coil Packs, 3.1 Stroker, 550CC injectors, tripple throttle body FI intake, MSA Stage II Cam, etc...etc...
79 Fairlady - Rusty
81 280ZX - DD

naviathan, you were there??? that trap speed looks good, did you not have any traction?
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From fastna128 sig: ".... room for 3 other girls in the car!..."
Who's the fourth?
1999 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 Quad Cab
1986 300ZX 2+2 NA 5spd
It's funny until someone gets hurt. Then, it's hilarious!

14.4 @ 99 for a stock SS Camaro? That's WAY off.
A totally bone-stock LS1 Z28 will pull mid 13s at 107.X on standard all-season tires!

An LS1 Z28 is a little more hopped up from the factory than an SS. I'm talking about a 99 and up Camaro SS with an automatic on standard all season radials. If you're saying it can't be done, it can and has. I did it several times and I think when you can repeat the same time and mph 3 out of 5 times it's a decent bet that's the best you're going to get. Of course the nice fresh red tranny fluid was silver/grey by the time I was done, but hey, wasn't my car... Besides, her daddy could afford it...
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77 280Z - TEC3 Engine Management, Coil Packs, 3.1 Stroker, 550CC injectors, tripple throttle body FI intake, MSA Stage II Cam, etc...etc...
79 Fairlady - Rusty
81 280ZX - DD

SS is *supposedly* more hopped up than a standard Z28, but in the real world they put about the same to the wheels.
I'm sure that 14.4 at 99 CAN be done in an SS. But a LOT quicker can be done, too! Maybe the one you drove had a plastic bag covering the air filter or something...
Went to the drags with a friend in his totally bone-stock (as in, untouched in any way, on stock all-season radials) '02 Z28 6-speed, he ran consistent 13.4 - 13.6s in the high 106s to 107.5 best. Hard to believe the automatics should be THAT much slower.

Not bad at all, i did about that in my zx 2+2 ith High CR set up, but it wasnt timed in a decent manner! so it might be of somewhat ( by a push of button) but fast enough to keep up with TT's and waste zxt's
However Z's are not made for the drags.. but for track use ! i love that !
Have to rebuilt that engine as now it is Turbo :(
You can sleep in your car, but cant drive in your house
if you are fully in control, you are not driving fast enough!
79 ZXR 46K!
81 ZXT EURO 2+2
83 ZXT
All fine Fastback winnabego's
Post Edited (Mar 27, 12:48pm)

Maybe a standard would have been better, but 14.2 @ 103mph in a 99 Camaro SS was the best she could get. My reaction times were right on par around .52, but I don't remember what the 60' times were. Maybe there's a difference in the 99 and 02 models. I don't know. I do know the 5 speed stock camaros and some with slight mods weren't able to keep up very well. I think there was only one other SS at that track and he was pulling about the same times.
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77 280Z - TEC3 Engine Management, Coil Packs, 3.1 Stroker, 550CC injectors, tripple throttle body FI intake, MSA Stage II Cam, etc...etc...
79 Fairlady - Rusty
81 280ZX - DD

I ran 13.9 with a junk yard motor, and mild cam. I now run 13.00 @ 104.5 on a rich tune.
Lots of Z cars, 1970's-1983's.
1977, Megasquirt, 12.8@ 105, 1.70 60 Foot, 2940 LBS. Blake Machine Co, Phx, AZ http://bandmzcars.com http://blakemachineprojects.com http://www.zselect.com

ZXtoy wrote:
"13.9-103mph in 1/4 mile? what is special about that time ? thats is embarassingly slow. if you get under 9 seconds than theres something to talk about."
Huh?......and your car car runs what?
Scottie
71 240Z/GN Power/Corvette IRS
10.08 @ 134.44, 1.36 60'

Not bad for an N/A 2+2.
1976 280Z
Draw-Through Turbo, 10 PSI, 4 Bbl Holley, E88, L28 (Flat), 10:1 CR, 5 Spd
1974 Corvette Stingray:
350, 400 Automatic, T-Tops, 8.5:1 CR, 78,000 Miles
1994 Acura Integra:
1.8L, 5 Spd, 189,000 and Counting!

Nope congrats, have you gotten down to normal tires now ;)
You can sleep in your car, but cant drive in your house
if you are fully in control, you are not driving fast enough!
79 ZXR 46K!
81 ZXT EURO 2+2
83 ZXT
All fine Fastback winnabego's

How many horses is his car running? wasnt it 183???
-1981 280zx
-89 Jeep Cherokee
F-54 - N-47 - 9.8:1 comp - 6-3-1 header -Schneider (470 lift, 280 dur.) - full 2 1/4 exhaust- Pallnet fuel rail - 6 puck ceramic clutch

I ran 13.9 with a junk yard motor, and mild cam.
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More Blake BS.. Are you THIS insecure about yourself that you have to make up this crap to put other people down?

Steve 77 280z, 3.1L, SDS w/turbo injectors, MSD, 280/.510cam, titanium retainers, Sunbelt-intake and head, Nismo1.75 headers, susp mods, toyo calipers etc etc.. my engine

I wonder what my Z will do in the quarter after I am doen with the motor in my sig.
-1981 280zx
-89 Jeep Cherokee
F-54 - N-47 - 9.8:1 comp - 6-3-1 header -Schneider (470 lift, 280 dur.) - full 2 1/4 exhaust- Pallnet fuel rail - 6 puck ceramic clutch

i ran a 15.6 in my z
73' 240z: F54 4.2L, OS Giken LY DOHC Crossflow head, 17:3comp.ratio, N33, Tripple SU's, T10 Hybrid Draw-Through TT @ 47pds, Roots&Centrifugal Type supercharger, 3-2-1 headers, Centerforce 4 clutch, 6oz flywheel, R300 differential, Super-Hicas

I think you guys are at different altitudes or somthing comparing timeslips( I am guessing that some of you are on the moon) But here's my 2 cents worth I have a 79 Camaro with a 97 LT1 T56 I am not a race car driver or anything like that and the motor has no mods besides a holley f.p. regulator and a holly pump(stock gas tank even) and it runs a consistant 13.40 I am in KY so your altitude may be different ( on the moon it will be for sure) but if my automatic 73 240 with an LT1 doesn't break out low in the 12's i'm gonna go shoot myself for wasting 2 years building it. Any LS1 Camaro that does not run in the 13's has the emergency brake set or the driver has his foot draging down the track slowing him down.
I Love It!! What is it again?
1951 Chevrolet Special Deluxe
1968 #'s Matching 400 4 speed GTO
1973 240z Iron Head LT1 4L60E
1979 Camaro LT1 T56
1992 Ford F-150
1995 Subarban
1997 Jeep Grand Cherokee

I'm kinda puzzled, too. Bone stock LT1 F-bodies do high-13s/low-14s at 100+, and LS1's are WAY faster.
13.4 is pretty good with a stock LT1 in a '79! Gearing? Weight?

Hey that time is faster than 99% of the POS Z's people own on here. Not bad at all.

Thats ok but for the money thats in that motor, not that great. That kids an idiot anyways, we saw him and the rest of the abercrombie crew get out of their cars and run next to a train. Pretty smart...

JUNK YARD FLAT TOP BLOCK, so go chew your caud some more steve. Are you that insecure that a 21 year old kid whoops what your car does. Come on steve, loose it already.
Lots of Z cars, 1970's-1983's.
1977, Megasquirt, 12.8@ 105, 1.70 60 Foot, 2940 LBS. Blake Machine Co, Phx, AZ http://bandmzcars.com http://blakemachineprojects.com http://www.zselect.com

Any LS1 F-body should be able to run 13s all day long.
But anyway, 13.9 aint a bad number for an NA Z.
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Justin T
72 240Z L28, 5-speed
77 280Z 5-speed (t-boned 8-25-04)
80 280ZX automatic(retired)

"Probably not the world's fastest NA L28 2+2, though..."
The LSR car, running hard street radials, a Titlon triple disc low-inertia clutch, open 3.36 differential, and having massive traction problems through third gear, ran 13.08 at over 108mph.
Not exactly a "set up for 1/4 mile runs" kinda car...
Man, if we would have had a 5-series R&P, and some sticky 20X8-14 drag slicks, along with a decently heavy flywheel for some speedshifting, I shudder to think what kind of times the thing woudl have turned.
But then again, we were just trying to see how the car handled, if the brakes worked, and were making sure the thing would pull through the gears before we went up to El Mirage for the first time.
Where, according to the FIA and SCTA, we have the fastest N/A L28 2+2...in the world...
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
Post Edited (Mar 27, 2:46pm)

Back in the 80's, there weere guys with L24 in the high 12's.
Any self-respecting hotrodder should be able to run into the 13's on an L28.
I hate to get into this fray, but I saw Bryan's "Junkyard Motor" and it indeed did what he said it would. And he's at altitude in Phoenix, and in heat. Temperature and Altitude compensated to NHRA Specs, and I think it would be even more an impressive time.
You really got a hard-on for some people, don't ya?
People who self-promote deserve every littel bit of sh*t they get. Same goes for the guy hawking this open sore on ZC.C.
It's a respectable time, sure. But nothing a hundred of other guys haven't done before. Huzzah for enthusiasim, forgive us if we're underwhelmed.
You go right ahead and be suitably impressed, it works for your neck of the woods.
Whatever.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"

"That kids an idiot anyways, we saw him and the rest of the abercrombie crew get out of their cars and run next to a train. Pretty smart..."
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Sparks280zt, you kill me! That sh*t is priceless!!!
"A-Crewe" I got a new name for Gilligan, now!
Lets call him "Hannibal", as the leader of the "A-Crewe", Steve 280Z can be Murdoch, of course....who else is in on the Cadre?
LOL, priceless!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"

The word "morons" comes to mind with quite a few people on here.

we we trying to jump on the train, not just run next to it..
but i do believe, Sparks280zt, that i have pictures of my car whooping your turbo car...and video too.....
i just think its rather odd that most people here never thought i would be in the 13's...
and BRYANS car, with the super ported head, and super ITB's got a 13.9, and my car with the "crappy built" "crappy tuned" "crappy port job" got a 13.9 too, on street tires---205's at that.
thank you steve280 for tuning the car---he knows what hes doing. with a little bit more work, and tuning the car on a dyno and some slick tires, it can hit mid-low 13's...no problem.
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"i just think its rather odd that most people here never thought i would be in the 13's..."
Didn't think that at all, was just underwhelmed because it really doesn't take all that much to get there in the first place.
That is what we were saying all along, Andrew.
Self promotion is good in business, but when it comes to things in a forum where people have done far more, it looks like idle boastfulness.
Which it is. Do something spectacular, not something well within the realm of possibility, and people will show due respect.
But for now, remember, Bryan did build his intake from scratch. Someone has a tag line here, "anyone can buy a car"... Remember that.
I'm thinking when I dyno the 2-Litre, it should be around where you are running. Maybe we will take it to LACR and make a pass, but I doubt it, time will be short before the first race at El Mirage.
But horsepower-wise, that little 2-Litre should be riiiight in your neck of the woods. If not a little more.
2-Litre.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
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My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
Post Edited (Mar 27, 3:03pm)

bryan said he would put money that i couldnt get a 14.4 or better on aim......
and if its so easy to get 13's, why doesnt everyone on here do it with there NA's?
there should just be a writeup, how to get your NA into the 13's and post in the articles section sense its so simple.
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"why doesnt everyone on here do it with there NA's?"
Because the bulk of people here are idiots...
That being said, behave this time, and don't make me call for a field calibration again!
Muahahaha! ;^)
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Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"

"Because the bulk of people here are idiots..."
remember you said that!!!
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13.9 is a respectable time, good job.
John 82ZXT

Ha, yea, I was running on street tires, and only got two passes when I hit 13.9 on a HOT day. Then I broke a motor mount then went home. I am in the 12 range now. Good run, and I said with THAT graph you wont hit 13's. Sure, I would sure hope with SDS, CUSTOM intake, headers, ex, twice ported head, big street cam, overbore, etc. I sure hope it would do 13's in street form. Good job.
PS. LOLOLOL, too the FIELD CALIBRATION TEST, HA ha.
Lots of Z cars, 1970's-1983's.
1977, Megasquirt, 12.8@ 105, 1.70 60 Foot, 2940 LBS. Blake Machine Co, Phx, AZ http://bandmzcars.com http://blakemachineprojects.com http://www.zselect.com

God bubble's threads are hilarious! Too bad they never last long....
Anyways, congrats to all SEZer's. I've been reading about it on hybridz and it sounds like some very cool things happened.
2 Zs in the 9s! (tho not on the L).
Mario
1976 280Z - Dad's Z (turbo swap?)
1978 280Z - Stock Rebuild | 5 Speed | Twice Pipes | Gutted
1982 280ZX - Turbo | MSnS-E | 5 Speed | Large NPR IC
BROKE: Will build computers, webpages, networks, MS units, troubleshoot computers for money

the Z's in the 9's were SIIICCCKKKKK
ive got pictures of the thing lifting the wheels off the track (5 frames per sec camera)....
im giving all the 100+ pics my friend took to warren, and he will be uploading them...
as for my "abercrombie crew"
only 2 of us jumped out to catch the train
1 of us got the award for slowest pas (yotam in the VW)
1 of us was embarrassed wearing a helmet (nate in the black altima)
1 of us was impressed at a 15.2 second stock 280ZX (adam)
the other 3 (plus girls) just road along and took pictures
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Actually my car was not there, why, because its down right now getting the l28et pulled and swapped for a 7m. So no, you did not outrun me. I rode down with Austin with no car.
Post Edited (Mar 27, 3:50pm)

ohhh i thought you were the guy with the blueish 280Zt....thats who i was talking about.
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No, I think you do have a nice car, very clean. And a 13.9 is impressive. I just dont think its best value for the dollar but whatever floats your boat.

13.9 thats fast
73' 240z: F54 4.2L, OS Giken LY DOHC Crossflow head, 17:3comp.ratio, N33, Tripple SU's, T10 Hybrid Draw-Through TT @ 47pds, Roots&Centrifugal Type supercharger, 3-2-1 headers, Centerforce 4 clutch, 6oz flywheel, R300 differential, Super-Hicas

I mean, really, people do stupid sh*t.
As I have said many times before, all it takes is a modicum of intelligence.
Lots of people don't have that.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"

All you need is ignorance and confidence, and success is assured. - Mark Twain
-- Next Up: SCCA ITR 300ZX --

You'd beat my ride for sure. I just need to replace my jackstands with Mickey Thompson branded ones and we'd have a race!
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1982 280zx

This is exactly like a soap opera you tune in about every 6 months to find nothing has changed. What name is Elaine posting under now?
"Do or Do Not...There is No Try... - Yoda"

the offer still stand, ill run you for 100 bucks ;)

I take that back Ill run you, iff you win ill wear a pink shirt

Ill race ya too, any day! HEHE. Ill even start out in second!
Lots of Z cars, 1970's-1983's.
1977, Megasquirt, 12.8@ 105, 1.70 60 Foot, 2940 LBS. Blake Machine Co, Phx, AZ http://bandmzcars.com http://blakemachineprojects.com http://www.zselect.com

JUNK YARD FLAT TOP BLOCK, so go chew your caud some more steve.
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With what head etc? Are you going to claim the whole engine was stock and ran 13's?
Hell my car has a "junkyard flat top block" and all that's been done inside is a shave and shim and about 10 minutes of cleaning up the junction of the valve seats to the ports. I've built turbo cars with stock "junk yard engines" that would blow your car away, so what? Why should I care that you make more power with a stroker and a massively hogged out head? Like duh of course it's going to make more power..
What I don't get is why you guys can't say "good times bubbles" instead of blasting him. If he paid YOU to build a motor like is in your car, he'd have 3X what he has in his. This is his first engine build and I'm impressed it runs as strong as it does and is still as streetable as a stocker. Why you see bubbles car running decent as a threat to you is beyond me..

Steve 77 280z, 3.1L, SDS w/turbo injectors, MSD, 280/.510cam, titanium retainers, Sunbelt-intake and head, Nismo1.75 headers, susp mods, toyo calipers etc etc.. my engine

austin, i liked the pink shirt...come on..
and for $100? ill race you...just let me borrow the 2JZtt engine car, the supra one....i think thats the engine code...
good runs though austin, and NICE car...though it needs carpet :-)
and i still owe STEVEs280 a lot, if it werent for him, my valves would be way out of whack, and my caming timing a few teeth off :-)
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Post Edited (Mar 27, 5:55pm)

hell i wore a pink shirt for free :-0
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Now I remember why you were banned.
You are truly a sad, sorry little boy, you have my pity.
Black, bumperless, 78 Z with MSA superturbo system, K/N cone filter, ported intake, and exhaust manifolds.....15.9 @87 mph.
Post Edited (Mar 27, 6:43pm)

Which time CKelly78Z? 1, 2, 3... It's time again... Some people never learn from past mistakes...
77 280Z with SBC, 700R4, Vette C4 IRS W/11.5 rear disk, Centerlines 16x9.5 W/BF G 245x45ZR Comp T/A Rear and 15x7 Ft W/BF Goodrich Euro 225x15 on ft. Soon to have Coleman 12.2x1.25, x-drilled, zinc plated, Rotors W/Billet Outlaw 4000. Z U V8ter

One, two, three strikes your out at the ole ballgame.

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Post Edited (Mar 27, 7:00pm)

Race cars dont need carpet! : )

but it makes them more comfy :-)
austins car is NICE...
but the hood...i freaked when i heard that the fedex guy ruined the corner of it
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"What I don't get is why you guys can't say "good times bubbles""
I think people have said that Steve.
But you have a VERY liberal interpretation of what constitutes a "first build" for SURE! This engine has been apart more than one time.
Bubble reaps what he has sewed. He came on here, boasting and strutting, and didn't do anything at all particularly noteworthy.
Now he's getting decent times, and those of us who have half a brain have said "decent times Gilligan".
But eeh! So what? For ALL THE HYPE he gave, till he hits 12's, it really ain't all that!
I have seen less self promotion on the WWF Smackdown, than our Lil Buddy has done on his car.
While it's a decent running streeter, it's run of the mill in SoCal, and towards the back ofthe pack when you talk about daily driven hot street N/A's.
Period.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"

lol, I'll stay out of the "soap opera" but just say, good job man, now just work on the racing and knock a few tenths off here and there.
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James Roraback
1983 280zxt 11.39 @129.38 - FOR SALE
ZCAR.COM member since Nov 1999

in his defense he did spin like hell and he was on small street tires. I imagine an LSD with some DRs or slicks would net a low 13 or high 12 pass

13.9 is pretty dam respectable. I am wishing for low 15s high 14s with the setup in my sig.
-1981 280zx
-89 Jeep Cherokee
F-54 - N-47 - 9.8:1 comp - 6-3-1 header -Schneider (470 lift, 280 dur.) - full 2 1/4 exhaust- Pallnet fuel rail - 6 puck ceramic clutch

all i have to say is Spork, you intake does WONDERS!
sparks, thanks for the defense :-)
i think for all weather 205's they did pretty well, hehehe.
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i said it wasnt all that fast because in 1976 i was turning under 10 sec. 1/4 miles in a 70 dodge challenger and back then that was fast. that type car was made primarily to go fast in a straight line from the factory. mine wasnt stock. but z cars are not made to go in straight lines, that would be a huge waste of suspension. its a sports car it will never be a dragster unless you change it mechanically until it barely resembles a datsun. brag all you want but im just not impressed with that time in this day and age.with a few dollars invested i can make my old pickup turn 13s it isnt that much. of course my pickup was made for hauling tools not drag racing so i wont be taking it to the track. it might be interesting to see what my maxima would do against you.
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1980 280ZX coupe
2001 maxima
1994 F150 4x4 van works custom truck
170000 and never needed mech repairs
1996 ford explorer -they cant all be good

keep us updated on how many passes you make before something breaks or it starts sucking oil . my challenger got around 400 races and 95,000 miles before it started to use a little oil, it won everyone of those races also.i ll bet money you cant get half that many , win them all and keep your engine in one piece! datsuns are made for the long race not a bunch of 1/4 miles!
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1980 280ZX coupe
2001 maxima
1994 F150 4x4 van works custom truck
170000 and never needed mech repairs
1996 ford explorer -they cant all be good

I did not read any of the above responses. But, damn this is one long post about a quarter mile time.
1993 300zx NA

Bubbles: I don't know you, but I hear you're 'different' to put it all into one word. 13.9 is not good (IMO), ... But "Good times bubbles".
Not bad.... but probably not very good considering what you've probably spent.
"The Z's disease won't make anything turn black, wither, and fall off, nor turn cancerous." - Tony D
"Take it to a track where BOTH drivers mean business or it's just one sided mechanical masterbation." - Hybrid77z

"lol" and "good job bubbles" thats about it.
I Love It!! What is it again?
1951 Chevrolet Special Deluxe
1968 #'s Matching 400 4 speed GTO
1973 240z Iron Head LT1 4L60E
1979 Camaro LT1 T56
1992 Ford F-150
1995 Subarban
1997 Jeep Grand Cherokee

13.9 bad time for money spent? I know some turbo guys that have 10K in their engines and they are still in the 12's Now thats what I call pathetic.

Young punks with more enthusiasm than knowledge
vs.
Old farts with more knowledge than enthusiasm
The never ending cycle.
Don't worry, Bubbles. One day you'll get older and look down your nose at somebody who's younger and trying, too.
I was at SEZ, and I think it's damned impressive for a 70's model 6 cylinder (NA, even!) to be outrunning modern V8's. I would wear pink shirts for a week for a 13.9 time!
I don't know about your other escapades here, but 13.9 is worthy of praise. Seems like everyone wants to get in on a pi$$ing contest here.
"The Law of Logical Argument: Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about. "
Early 74 260Z
90 5.0 Mustang LX vert (7up edition)
86 Isuzu Trooper
85 Kawasaki 900 Ninja

What funny if you look at Blake and bubbles 60ft times, Blake "Killer stroker" is less than .5 seconds faster. As crappy as bubbles trans shifts, I'm shocked it did what it did! Some sticky tires, a trans that doesn't grind into every gear, an LSD (plus some dyno tuning) and some race experience I wouldn't be shocked to see it in the low 13's..
The other point Blake is leaving out is he had lots of help and advice etc from people at his shop showing him how to do things. It's sad he won't give any of the people who have shown him these things any credit.

Steve 77 280z, 3.1L, SDS w/turbo injectors, MSD, 280/.510cam, titanium retainers, Sunbelt-intake and head, Nismo1.75 headers, susp mods, toyo calipers etc etc.. my engine

I know this kid has been obnoxious in the past, but his initial posts did nothing provocative & shouldn't have sent so many folks into their tirades.
But regarding this kid's sub 14 second time, that's not too bad. I don't know how much has been spent & what many SAY he should achieve, but if he's happy & wanting to do more, so be it. I can say that there was an Altima Sat running sub 14s at the test and tune on Saturday.

Thats an awesome time Andrew. Keep it up. I have missed these posts where everyone makes a jackass out of themselves. They are just too hilarious!
78 280z Black Pearl 132K miles? could be 232k miles? who knows...
"Datsun: We Are Driven"

I give credit ALOT, there are only TWO people that have mainly tought me what I know, and thats my dad and my grandfather, I give them BOTH recognition REGULARLY.
Lots of Z cars, 1970's-1983's.
1977, Megasquirt, 12.8@ 105, 1.70 60 Foot, 2940 LBS. Blake Machine Co, Phx, AZ http://bandmzcars.com http://blakemachineprojects.com http://www.zselect.com

All i have to say is Andrew and I and the Abercrombie Team will see EVERYONE (I HOPE) in september....we will be the group in the abercrombie get up...just for Sparks280zt, and next time....we are getting on the train just for you buddy...hey and andrew....why dont you get a fast car...hahahah...loser...:)hahah

haha alright but if you get arrested or if you slip and fall and your legs or head is cut off by those nasty train wheels, thats on you

with some better 60' you'd shave a couple tenths off.....not bad though for an old 2+2 :) what is the elevation where all this was run?

Good deal bubbles, It's good to see the work paying off. That's not a bad time for a mild N/A build. Things can get better as you learn more if you keep a level head (Don't get off track).
Remember: It's not huge this or huge that, that will make the motor, it's the complete package.....
SPEED IS MY DRUG OF CHOICE..LET ME DRIVE!


Bame, elevation is around 550 ft.

Oh wow, yea thats pretty low elevation. They say every 1000 feet is about 2-3 tenths.
Lots of Z cars, 1970's-1983's.
1977, Megasquirt, 12.8@ 105, 1.70 60 Foot, 2940 LBS. Blake Machine Co, Phx, AZ http://bandmzcars.com http://blakemachineprojects.com http://www.zselect.com

truth in point, dr hunt came from new mexico with his car. Elevation there is 5500 and his best i think was 10.50s, he ran a 9.80 at SEZ i think

What ever happened to the 12 second car? I remember him bitching that his car would kick half of this boards Zs ass, when it wasn't running after the first time, second time, third time .... I also remember him telling people on this board as to how to build up a Z. After 2 years and at least 3 teardowns that I can remember he should have a MUCH faster car than that. 13.9 isn't a very respectable time, little better than stock. If he wants to redeem himself he has to get low 12s at least.
He claimed he would be much faster, complimenting him on his mediocrity is pointless. Want to know why the US is falling behind, we congratulate the losers.
Mediocrity recognizes nothing but itself, but talent instantly recognizes true genius.
'60 Chevrolet Apache 10 235cid Stovebolt 6
'79 N/A MT (My Dad's but I drive it)
'81 Turbo (Mine)
FSM: $60
Shop Manual: $20
Reading the manual: Priceless

Andrew...You have to admit....thats pretty freaking funny...at least the:
"Want to know why the US is falling behind, we congratulate the losers."
Made me laugh...
anyways...
his car did pretty darn good, and for all of you to sit her and bitch about he said this he said that...yeah the kids 19 he is going to talk smack..personally i think he stepped up to the plate...and always remeber the car is a 2+2...Congrats again andrew....and andrew....dont ever forget....your still a loser!

damn you poop brown car driver, damn you.
wait, who has a messed up door now? thats right... hey pull up to a drive through and see what happens...hehehehe
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High Performance NA L28 engine, Performance Suspension, Full Interior, 2500lbs, and room for 3 HOT girls in the car!
shift_2+2
13.9 @102.7 on 205mm street tires and 110 octane :-)

I give credit ALOT, there are only TWO people that have mainly tought me what I know, and thats my dad and my grandfather, I give them BOTH recognition REGULARLY.
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All I see here is you talking about how great -YOU- are. Even your thread on your family's mopars looks like you are taking credit for those cars as well.
What you're ignoring is bubbles had NO ONE showing him what to do on the engine stuff, that's why I went over and helped him a few times. Good grief, you work at your dad's MACHINE SHOP and compare what you are doing at your age to bubbles?
Has he wasted some money and made some mistakes? Sure he has. Has he talked some smack about how fast his car is? Sure he has and it's been a laugh watching at how upset you guys all get over it! Is the car as fast as it should be? Of course not but if you had driven his car as seen the problems it has, you'd understand there is a BUNCH of time left on the table.. WIth the right gears, good tires and some experience I wouldn't be shocked to see it in the low13's or even high 12's.

Steve 77 280z, 3.1L, SDS w/turbo injectors, MSD, 280/.510cam, titanium retainers, Sunbelt-intake and head, Nismo1.75 headers, susp mods, toyo calipers etc etc.. my engine

"What you're ignoring is bubbles had NO ONE showing him what to do on the engine stuff,"

I CALL BULLSH*T! The kid had HUNDREDS of helpful and guiding suggestions from the people RIGHT HERE.
He chose to pi$$ on those people, and then begin arguing with them.
He chose his own way. Self-Promotion in a public forum tends to lead to high expectations, and being totally underwhelmed when it makes the middling performance everyone told him it would.
You know, funny thing is his dad is an ENGINEER. So he had a big leg up on ME when I started. My dad was in Administration, not a mechanical bone in his body.
What it comes down to is having a loud mouth, and trumpeting his wares like he's doing something great. Like someone said above, "applauding mediocrity" is the polite way to put it now that I'm grown up.
Back in the day, I would have done what I did so many times before: spanked his a$$ with by Turbo Beetle and laughed as all the muscle car guys pointed and joked about being beaten by a Beetle-Bug...
So he's in the 13's. Like we all have said: "So What? With all the hullabaloo he's talked himself up to be, anything less than low 12's is a letdown."
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"

Funny thing is after your "spank" him with your "Turbo Beetle" and everybody laughs at him...you come to the painful realization...YOU ARE DRIVING A BEETLE!!! Thats all there is to it...i have the SLOWEST & Ugliest stock 280ZX...and i wouldnt be caught dead driving a Beetle...so enjoy yourself in that beetle...even if it would spank him...because you still drive one of the most Feminine cars possible!

My beetle went the way of the cars many moons ago. I drove a VW beetle and routinely ate F-Bodies all day long at Milan Dragstrip in the early 80's. When it all comes down to it, he who's at the end first, wins. Cry all you want about having a "Feminine Car", I know how big my whang is, I need no replacement for displacement by snagging a Corvette, Camaro, or other "sports car".
That's air-cooled Beetle, if you don't know that by now.
I got rid of it when I bought the Bus. Which I still have.
Say what you want about a Beetle (best selling car on the face of the planet), or my Air Cooled Bus. I never felt the need to have a "sports car" or "muscle car" to enhance my penile deficit like so many others...
Some claim the 2+2 has room for 3 girls. Well, my ride had room for 7 girls, an Iced Keg, and had it's own Self-Contained Bed.
You drive your "Poorman's Corvette". My bus suits me just fine.
And it's a 15.20 vehicle when I had the 2110 Turbo in it, not as fast as the Beetle, for sure. But then again, it was a shaggin wagon, not a deficit enhancer or smokescreen...
You were the one who felt insecure and had to call something feminine, btw, so hope this doesn't upset you that I had to clearly draw out why you mentioned a car being "Feminine" in response to the inference of why you felt the complusion to buy your car. I mean, it's obvious!
When you have your own "power bulge", you don't need one in the hood of your vehicle.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
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Actually what bubbles got here was a lot of bitching and arguing between basically the same people bitching in this thread. It did not point in many clear directions it was if anything more confusing. However I believe by doing more quite reading he could have deciferred what info was the best, that's were he quit. He shouldn't have ran his mouth, thats a mistake most youth make. Funny part is you are here now running your mouth self promoting to use your own words, your penis of all things.
Tony why do you alway bring your "power bulge", that's a good one btw, into these car related conversations. This is one of many times you self promote the size of your penis to try and sway an arguement, notice your the only one talking about penis size as a counter arguement. Pot calling the kettle black?
I've never noticed any correlation between my body parts, specifically penis and any of the vehicles I've owned. I mean my penis doesn't drive, it doesn't pay for cars, nor does it turn wrenches, it didn't educate me about cars, so really what does it have to do with a car talk conversation?
Its six from one half a dozen from the other. Bubbles brags about his car you brag about your penis. We are on a car talk forum, now who should be banned?
Matt

I'm not the one saying someone drives a "Feminine Car" (inference being obviously that the 280ZX is a "Masculine Car")
It's simply stating that at his age, as to this day, I never bought my vehicles based on some inferiority complex that dictated I buy some flashy sportscar to "get chicks".
We all know what kind of person does that. And what I'm saying is I'm not one of them, as Cool465 obviously is---he brought it up, not I, Matt.
The "power buldge" came as I glanced over at an open C&D or some such magazine that mentioned the "sexy power buldge in the hood" of the Z-Car. And found the parallel funny, and somewhat ironic. So I added that commentary as well. I thought it was funny as hell, and fitting given the psychosexual complex Cool obviously has driving his need to buy sports cars, and the stated value of a 2+2 was to "carry three girls"....
I'm not promoting my penis size, just pointing out the fact I'm confident with what I had, and don't then, nor do I now, feel the need to use a vehicle as a Phallic Substitute. I would think you would get that, it was pretty well laid out there.
I'm not running my mouth promoting my dork size. I won't even go there.
Simply stated, for all the braggin' he done, (and this has been said several times before, and by people OTHER than me) the results are a bit disapointing. Seems to be the consensus here as a matter of fact. There are plenty of younger people here doing things and not being braggards about it. Nobody likes a braggard. But they do so love it when their hype doesn't match up to their real world performance. Which is the case here in spades!
Now, if you want to go into a point-counterpoint argument, Cool was the one bringing up Feminine/Masculine Vehicles. And even a basic understanding of the mechanisims regarding inferiority and compensation will tell you what it going on here.
Because I'm simply blunt, and respond to exactly what the obvious inference is, don't call for me to be banned. I only am responding to the call, not the one callling it out in the first place.
I mean really, Matt, you can't see the same pattern repeating. The Abercrombie Crew padding a post and trying to incite to get a post count to 100? Who am I to resist, this is the way we want the site to be, right? A bunch of youngsters comparing dicksize and running their mouths about this or that Honda-Forum Style? It was that kind of stuff that got people banned in the first place.
Not bluntly addressing the psychological foibles of unstable youths.
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"
Post Edited (Mar 31, 9:57am)

I'm glad to see you took that as humerous. I was mainly joking and no I don't want you banned! I really only posted that to see what you'd say, how it would be handled. You showed your reasoning, whereas a younger person would be flaming me, probably trying to bring my penis into the discussion.
My only point is that we all at times brag, make mistakes, redo things, not hit 100% on everything. It is entertaining to me to see how differently people handle things, no pun intended.
Matt

...Maybe you should spell it "peniz"!
..In that case, without a Z, I'm suffering from peniz-envy......
'78 280Z 2+2 R.I.P. August 29, 2005
'75 280Z Coupe 4-speed
"Never been there, didn't do that."
"The harder you try, the dumber you look."
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