people put down cars...excuse me, ricers, a lot! the fact is, stereotypical "ricers" like the honda civic si or acura integra brought a lot too the world of cars like variable valve timing. to my knowledge they are the first cars to take advantage of this. It's also antoher way to look at car performance, its like "there's no replacement for displacement" in a chevelle, my Z is a power to weight ratio car, integras and civics are cars that make 100hp per litre of displacement! but they get that from high revs. there are 2 ways to make hp, mass displacement (like the big blocks of old) and high rpms. the main selling point difference there is, big blocks have big problems with efficiency (performance, fuel milage, etc) if you took the same power to literage ratio out of a b16 civic motor and put it too a standard 350 it would make 570hp! (5.7 litres 100 hp per litre). that and the fact that because of variable valve timing, the car gets 30 miles per gallon if you drive it like a commutor. it's just a different genre, its just that most people that "tune" them wouldnt know the difference anyways
lookin for a new project 240z to put a sr20det, or rb25det
currently drive 1972 240z 100% restored to original beauty!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricer
1976 280Z
Draw-Through Turbo, 10 PSI, 4 Bbl Holley, E88, L28 (Flat), 10:1 CR, 5 Spd
1974 Corvette Stingray:
350, 400 Automatic, T-Tops, 8.5:1 CR, 78,000 Miles
1994 Acura Integra:
1.8L, 5 Spd, 189,000 and Counting!

that is a good point, unfortunatly, like i said, lots of people dont understand the genre their cars performance falls into, usually dumb kids who cant afford anything else anyways, that or their just trying ta get some a$$. my point was, there is potentail in those cars, its just not exploited in the way it should be, often enough.
lookin for a new project 240z to put a sr20det, or rb25det
currently drive 1972 240z 100% restored to original beauty!

Hmm, I thought Nissan had variable valve timing way back in 1990 when they came out with the twin turbo 300ZX. What did Honda start putting VVT on their mass produced cars?
Honda Civics are phenomenal cars, to get you to work or school and back and to go run errands. They are not sports cars, nor were they meant to be. People taking those and making them into "race" cars get made fun of because they're just plain stupid. Now the Integra is a sporty little car that was meant to be performance oriented, yet people still take them and put big ass retarded wings and body kits and try to improve performance when they're actually hurting it. Just like when people try to make a grocery-getter Civic into a performance car; the same holds true when they take a performance Integra and turn it into just a grocery-getter status car becuase the extra weight, reduced backpressure, etc, makes the car slower. They're shooting themselves in the foot. Plus Honda doesn't have a factory turbocharged car in the USDM, or JDM as far as I know...so that really hurts their ability to be "cheap" speed machines because you have to buy expensive manifolds for the turbo, beefier axles, things like that. They don't have a badass selection of factory parts to pick and pull from. However yes they are revvy cars and make great power way up in the RPM range...but how many rich kid rice boys do you know that actually rev the piss out of their car? Most of them I see shift too early to take full advantage of the Vtec.

vvt came out with honda nissan and toyota about the same time, but honda had it in racing apps the earliest i believe. im just trying to get the point across that its a different way of looking at performance, where we look down our nose at them is when they do stupid shi! to their cars, but there is a select few that know what their doing. i got beat out once by a civic that pulled an 11 quarter whos redlin was set to 12k and had valve activation at 3500 rpm, naturally aspirated, and it ran what sounded like stock. my point is yeah, 99% of tuners of newer jap cars are idiots, but there are a select few that can exploit a vehicles high points.
lookin for a new project 240z to put a sr20det, or rb25det
currently drive 1972 240z 100% restored to original beauty!

Ricers have nothing to do with performance mods, this topic is moot...
85' 300ZX NA
86' 300ZX Turbo
88' 300ZX Turbo
89' 300ZX Turbo
300ZX Turbo Project

I do not like people who do not use punctuation, grammar or paragraphs either.
1993 300zx NA

Here is a good thread on hybridz about the shows "pinks" from last week. A couple of the participants even posted on their experience with the episode.
http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=109214
--Denver 6-29-1999 1st post.
82 280zxt 4 spd auto
73 240z--lsd, cv axles
ferget donations, I'm into blackmail.
spindle pin puller for sale.
I can't believe some people spend $15 on shifter bushings in the B trans

Yah that guy from pinks with honda was flamed on honda tech but me personally like hondas and think they are great cars to race if you wanna stay all motor due to the light weight bodys and engine swap options.
-1986 z na to turbo conversion
-JWT 550 fuel kit
-JWT sport 500 ball bearing
-NA block

besides guys theres at LEAST one good thing about ricers...they always give ya a self esteem boost when ya waste um before ya even reach the end of the intersection lol!
lookin for a new project 240z to put a sr20det, or rb25det
currently drive 1972 240z 100% restored to original beauty!

{Author: Matt300ZXT
Date: Mar 19, 11:46pm
Hmm, I thought Nissan had variable valve timing way back in 1990 when they came out with the twin turbo 300ZX. What did Honda start putting VVT on their mass produced cars?}
Here is a list of just the B16 Series.
B16A
* VTEC
* Found in:
o 1989-1991 Honda Integra RSi/XSi (DA)
o 1989-1992 JDM Honda Civic SiR
+ Displacement: 1595 cm3
+ Compression: 10.2:1
+ Power: 158 hp @ 7600 rpm & 112 ft·lbf @ 7000 rpm
+ Transmission: S1/J1/Y1
o 1989-1991 Honda Civic SiR
+ Displacement: 1595 cm3
+ Compression: 10.2:1
+ Power: 160 hp (119 kW) @ 7600 rpm & 111 ft·lbf (150 N·m) @ 7000 rpm
+ Transmission: S4C
o 1992-1995 JDM Honda Civic Si-R II
+ Displacement: 1595 cm3
+ Compression: 10.4:1
+ Power: 168 hp @ 7800 rpm & 116 ft·lbf @ 7300 rpm
+ Transmission: S4C
o 1992-1995 EDM Honda Civic VTi
+ Displacement: 1595 cm3
+ Power: 158 hp @ 7800 rpm & 116 ft·lbf @ 7300 rpm
o 1989-1991 Honda CRX Si-R
o 1989-1991 Honda Civic Si-R I
o 1989-1992 Honda Concerto
o 1989-1995 Rover 200
o 1992-1995 JDM Honda Civic
o 1992-1996 JDM Honda CRX SiR
+ Displacement: 1595 cm3
+ Compression: 10.2:1 / 10.4:1
+ Power: 158 hp - 170 hp & 111 ft·lbf - 116ft·lbf
[edit]
B16A1
* Found in:
o 1989-1991 EDM Honda CRX 1.6i/VTi (EE8/ED)
+ Displacement: 1595 cm3
+ Compression: 10.2:1
+ Power: 150 hp (111 kW) @ 7600 rpm & 106.2 ft·lbf (144 N·m) @ 7000 rpm
o 1990-1991 Honda Civic SiR (EF)
o 1990-1991 Honda CRX SiR (EF)
+ Displacement: 1595 cm3
+ Compression: 10.4:1
+ Power: 160 hp (118 kW) @ 7600 rpm & 111 ft·lbf (152 N·m) @ 7000 rpm
[edit]
B16A2
* VTEC
* Found in:
o 1992-1995 JDM Honda Civic (EG)
+ Displacement: 1595 cm3
+ Power: 168 hp @ 7600 rpm & 116 ft·lbf (152 N·m) @ 7000 rpm
o 1996-2000 Honda Civic VTiR (EK)
+ Displacement: 1595 cm3
+ Compression: 10.4:1
+ Power: 168 hp @ 7800 rpm & 113 ft·lbf @ 7300 rpm
o 1999-2000 Honda Civic Si (EJ)
+ Displacement: 1595 cm3
+ Compression: 10.2:1
+ Power: 160 hp (118 kW) @ 7600 rpm & 111 ft·lbf (151 N·m) @ 7000 rpm
+ Transmission: Y21 S4C
o 1996-1997 Honda Del Sol VTEC (EG)
+ Displacement: 1595 cm3
+ Compression: 10.4:1
+ Power: 170 hp (125 kW) @ 7800 rpm & 111 ft·lbf (152 N·m) @ 7000 rpm
+ Transmission: Y21
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B16A3
* VTEC
* Found in:
o 1994-1995 Honda Del Sol VTEC (EG)
+ Displacement: 1595 cm3
+ Compression: 10.4:1
+ Power: 170 hp (125 kW) @ 7800 rpm & 111 ft·lbf (152 N·m) @ 7000 rpm
+ Transmission: Y21
[edit]
B16B
* VTEC
* Found in:
o 1997-2000 Civic Type-R
+ Displacement: 1595 cm3
+ Compression: 10.8:1
+ Power: 184 hp (137 kW) @ 8200 rpm & 118 ft·lbf (160 N·m) @ 7500 rpm
+ Transmission: S4C
This Space For Rent....

"Hmm, I thought Nissan had variable valve timing way back in 1990 when they came out with the twin turbo 300ZX. What did Honda start putting VVT on their mass produced cars?"
Sorry to nit-pick here... but Nissan had variable valve timing first in the non-turbo 1990 300zx, which came out about 6 months before the turbo models.
-MAS
1990 na 300zx

Rice is a combination of aesthetics and attitude. It has nothing to do with performance potential. It merely consists of spending money on things that attract attention.
'74 260z---NA L28 MSnS-E w/ Innovate Wideband
Already sparking, soon to be squirting.
Cogito, ergo dolorum.

I would agree with Aeindei a little bit on this one.
I don't think anyone really looks down on a Honda or Acura on this board. Hell 99.9% of the time it's the car recommended to people who have the "I need to buy a relaible daily driver, what car should I buy?" question.
The fact is a rice car is much different then a car built for performance. Those car that can reach the low 1/4mi times will always get attention from performance hounds and the Honda and Acura are 2 of those cars that can get there. It's when a moron puts on a rear spoiler that is as big as the car, stickers that have nothing to do with the brand or parts in the car, an exhaust that does not fit on the car, a body kit that is improperly installed, and improper performance part installation and modifications, That is a ricer and they get bagged on wether they are Honda, Acura, Toyota, Nissan, Dodge, DSM, etc... Rice is rice it rice
Progress:
Z32 Had to sell for DD 06 Sentra :(
S30 one of these days I will get around to putting it all back together.

Personaly, I love ricers. If you and a Ricer happen to both be going well over the speed limit 9 times out of 10 that ricer will get pulled over first if a cop shows up.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2098856

My girlfriend and I have assembled a picture archive of cars with ridiculous fins and unnecessary exhaust setups.
1976 280Z
Draw-Through Turbo, 10 PSI, 4 Bbl Holley, E88, L28 (Flat), 10:1 CR, 5 Spd
1974 Corvette Stingray:
350, 400 Automatic, T-Tops, 8.5:1 CR, 78,000 Miles
1994 Acura Integra:
1.8L, 5 Spd, 189,000 and Counting!

like some other people said...rice IMO and I think most true car enthusiasts agree has nothing to do with performance. It's about people with little or no automotive knowledge that mod their car in a "distasteful" way...usually "all show no go". Somebody thats built a civic up to running 11's isn't rice.
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03 CS Touring
VIN #189

(hijack)
You know what are real cool? Turbo Vans!
1976 280Z
Draw-Through Turbo, 10 PSI, 4 Bbl Holley, E88, L28 (Flat), 10:1 CR, 5 Spd
1974 Corvette Stingray:
350, 400 Automatic, T-Tops, 8.5:1 CR, 78,000 Miles
1994 Acura Integra:
1.8L, 5 Spd, 189,000 and Counting!

http://www.turbovan.net/turbovan.html
1976 280Z
Draw-Through Turbo, 10 PSI, 4 Bbl Holley, E88, L28 (Flat), 10:1 CR, 5 Spd
1974 Corvette Stingray:
350, 400 Automatic, T-Tops, 8.5:1 CR, 78,000 Miles
1994 Acura Integra:
1.8L, 5 Spd, 189,000 and Counting!

1976 280Z
Draw-Through Turbo, 10 PSI, 4 Bbl Holley, E88, L28 (Flat), 10:1 CR, 5 Spd
1974 Corvette Stingray:
350, 400 Automatic, T-Tops, 8.5:1 CR, 78,000 Miles
1994 Acura Integra:
1.8L, 5 Spd, 189,000 and Counting!

fyi, honda has used variable valve timing on their MOTORCYCLES since the mid 80's.
'78 280z -41,000 original(?) miles. a work in progress.....

The first experimentation with variable valve timing and lift was performed by General Motors. GM was actually interested in throttling the intake valves in order to reduce emissions. This was done by minimizing the amount of lift at low load to keep the intake velocity higher, thereby atomizing the intake charge. GM encountered problems running at very low lift, and abandoned the project.
The first functional variable valve timing system, including variable lift, was developed at Fiat. Developed by Giovanni Torazza in the 1970s, the system used hydraulic pressure to vary the fulcrum of the cam followers. The hydraulic pressure changed according to engine speed and intake pressure. The typical opening variation was 37%.
The next big step was taken by Honda in the late 1980s and 90s, where Honda began by experimenting with variable valve lift. Pleased with the results, engineers took the knowledge and applied it to the B16A engine, fitted to the Integra. From there it has been used in a variety of applications, from sport to utility, by many different auto makers.
In the year 1992, BMW introduced VANOS, their version of a variable valve timing system, on the BMW M50 engine used in the 3 Series. VANOS significantly enhances emission management, increases output and torque, and offers better idling quality and fuel economy. The latest version of VANOS is double-VANOS, used in the new M3. Double-VANOS adds an adjustment of the intake and outlet camshafts.
One thing that separates the BMW variable timing from what Honda developed is that VANOS provides stepless adjustments to the valve timing throughout a rpm regime to provide optimum timing at all engine speeds within that regime. Honda's VTEC triggers a single step change at in the timing when the engine speed reaches a preset rpm (this rpm occurs near high rpm ranges).
Variable valve timing was the sole domain of overhead cam engines until 2005, when General Motors began offering the LZE and LZ4, pushrod V6 engines with VVT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_valve_timing
Ron
Sacramento CA
73 240Z

I stopped reading when you brought up HP/L. This is the real world we live in, not a world where the vehicle with the best engineered engine is the fastest. Who cares how many HP/L an engine has? Power/Weight is the only ratio that matters on the street. HP/L is bench racer ricer talk.
As far as high HP/L being effiecnt, the 120hp/L Honda S2000 a 2800lb car with great aerodynamics and a 6speed transmisson is only rated at 20/26mpg.
Then we have the RX-8, people claim it's super effiecant because it's rated as a 1.3L and makes 240HP, again great aerodynamics, 6-speed weighs right around 3000lbs yet it only gets 18/25mpg. Just like the S2000. Then you have the big "unefficant" 71hp/L 5.7L V8 powered C5 Z06 Corvette with it's great aero dynamics and 6speed transmission is rated at 19/28mpg. Whats wrong with that picture? The heaviest car with the biggest engine getting the best gas mileage? Baffels the mind huh? Not to mention the C5 Z06 is rated as a low emissions vehicle. Low emissions, pretty good gas milage, yep it's a big unefficiant V8.
And one other thing, just one word too, Torque.
---
Justin T
72 240Z L28, 5-speed
77 280Z 5-speed (t-boned 8-25-04)
80 280ZX automatic(retired)

whoaaa.....wait a minute. I was a Honda cycle tech and I've never heard anything about this. Last I checked it was either shim over or under bucket. Now I do believe V-tec came out in the late 80's, if I am correct.
Funny thing about ALL of this........it wasn't that long ago (to me) that early Z cars were considered and called rice burners.
And as far as I'm concerned, they are.
Anything made by, "slants, slopes, dinks, chinks, gooks, dangs, chopa suey, charlie, dog ranchers or grasshopper" are considered so.
HOWEVER, I've never heard anyone reffering to a Korean made car a rice burner. I guess Koreans don't eat that much rice;)
I hope no one here is offended by the names refferenced in this post. If you are; then yellow house cat is the other white meat.

You Might Be A Ricer If…
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You have more exhaust decibels than your engine has horsepower.
You have aftermarket FRONT wheels for racing but stock rear wheels.
Your engine makes twice as much horsepower as torque.
17" rims up front, 13" out back on your FWD.
You ever painted your wheels to match the same color of your car.
You put your automatic car in neutral at every stoplight in order to roll it back and try to fool other people into thinking you have a manual transmission
DuPont gave up trying to figure out the shade you were asking for.
Your mod list includes stereo equipment, shifter handle, MOMO steering wheel, PIA driving lights, exhaust tip, but no REAL engine parts.
A chameleon lizard undergoes fewer shade changes than your custom paint scheme.
Your rims and tires are so large, that you have to install the tire / wheel from underneath the car because it simply won't fit in the wheel well going in from the side.
The dealer laughs when you bring your car back in for service under warranty, and you've only had it 6 months...
Your tires / rims stick out from the lip of your car by more than 1."
Your paint job is from the WRONG end of the color spectrum.
You installed spacers on your STOCK wheels and tires to get them to stick out past the fender.
You see cars like yours in a Shriner's Parade for Children and clowns are driving them.
You bring an empty Maxwell House coffee can with you to compare size when you shop for an aftermarket exhaust system.
Your Eclipse GS-T hardtop has a "SPYDER" emblem on the rear...
Your sum knowledge of suspension is: "the more negative camber, the better the handling."
You push your car through the staging lanes. That way, maybe you can break into the 16s by keeping the motor cool between runs.
You add a super tall rear wing, and a hundred pounds of aftermarket ground effects, neon and stereo yet you gut the interior and yank out the rear seat for weight savings.
Your rear wing AND your rear window have a third mount brake light...
The back lighting in the gauges in your A-pillar gauge pod work long before the actual gauges are hooked up.
You cut 4 coil springs and scrape the chassis on the ground. Sparks are cool when you corner at normal traffic speeds!
You have to find a way to drive AROUND speed bumps in a parking lot.
You install clear corner and brake lights.
You install colored bulbs in your aftermarket clear lenses.
You ever put neon on the bottom of your car, and then busted it on the first speed bump you went over.
You painted the UNDERBODY of your car to match
If your rear spoiler is taller then you are.
if you can fit fist **** your exhaust tip
You have more stereo WATTS than engine TORQUE!
If your tailpipe extension is the most expensive mod you’ve done to your engine yet.
Your tailpipe extension fell off during a quarter mile race and you went three tenths of a second faster due to weight savings.
EVERY car in your class has a turbo pushing double digits worth of boost.
You spent $5,000 on the engine and you can not out run a stock Camaro, Firebird, or Mustang
You want the 'wastegate' sound, but don't want to install a turbocharger system.
You think Nitrous Oxide on your Hyundai Sonata puts you in the same performance league as the Chevy Corvette.
The automatic version of your car runs 2 seconds slower in the 1/4mile.
If the 1970 Plymouth Daytona Superbird has a smaller spoiler than your car does.
You think the Del Sol is a sports car...
A torque converter does NOTHING for your car.
You think a deep farty noise = the sound of high performance
If you think that horsepower is far more important than torque
If you have ever claimed that switching to a cone filter has given you more than 5 HP.
If you have ever considered installing more than one set of fog / driving lights.
If you claim that the aftermarket cold air intake system you just installed doubled your horsepower or took 2 or more seconds off of your E/T.
Your baseball cap is always on backwards when you drive (the first sign of mental retardation, wearing your clothes backwards... BE).
You spent all night on the Internet trying to find a company that makes a turbocharger system for your Hyundai...
If you removed your side view mirrors and put them at the TOP of the door / window frame.
If you think the Fugees are 'speed' music.
MOMO is 'absolutely required' to go fast.
Your four cylinder has a dual exhaust system installed.
Your four cylinder has four exhaust pipes ("Hey, one for each cylinder!")
The color of your interior upholstery hurts the cones and rods in other people's eyes.
If you cannot drive your car in snow as the ground effects create a plow effect.
If you have installed driving lights to compensate for headlight blackouts / tape.
If you think that 180 horsepower and 185 lb/ft of torque are impressive for a ‘mildly’ modified engine.
If you have stickers on your car for parts that you could not point out if asked where those parts are installed.
You think pushrods are a bad thing…
Your car has more decals than you do the quarter in seconds.
Every Honda you EVER owned, all the way back to your 1978 Accord was either a V-Tec or a TYPE-R.
You took your rear seat out and gutted your interior for weight savings but you installed 400 pounds of electronics, neon, DVD, Sony, etc.
If you gutted the interior to save weight on a car that you will never take to the track…
You lean your seat so far back when you are driving, that every time you hit a bump, its your back and not your butt that hurts.
You have hydraulics and sixteen switches on a car you claim runs low 10s on the street and corners better than a Porsche.
If you can estimate that your car makes more than 250 HP without ever running it at the track or getting a dyno reading.
You claim that you can get a titanium block for your engine.
If you have ever thought Hyundai and "performance" went hand in hand
If you've ever gone to a parts shop or speed warehouse and asked for a 1" to 6" exhaust adapter...
If you've ever contemplated adding "TYPE-R" stickers to your Sonata…
If you've removed more than 1/2 of the coils from your springs by cutting them yourself ...
If you have more neon lights on your car than a strip club...
You put Kanji on your Ford ZX2, Ford Probe, or Mercury Cougar ...
You own a "TYPE-R" Hyundai or Mazda.
You couldn't afford headlight masking, so you just painted them with flat black Krylon and it's peeling. Badly.
You claim that polishing your intake gave you 5hp.
You own a V-TEC Hyundai or Mazda (especially a V-TEC rotary engined Mazda RX-7)
You have neon INSIDE your car or in your ENGINE compartment
You ever claimed that high gas mileage made your car superior in performance to V8s.
If it takes you 8000rpm to reach 30mph from a dead stop at WOT.
You think yellow plastic interior trim makes your car cool
You spend $500 for a giant hand welded tube for a muffler with the weld marks extremely visible
If you paint your drum brakes to simulate Hi-po calipers
If you install fake hi-po caliper / disc simulators
You have a front wing.
If you lower your car and add ground effects but retain the stock 14inch wheels with disc style wheel covers
If you equate the sound of performance with the sound of a Weed Eater™
If you think bolting a fake muffler to one side to simulate dual exhaust is cool
If you think colored head lights work better
Clear tail lights and turn signals. They’re colored for a REASON!
If you take mom's 4 door Honda accord and do any kind of mod to it
You drive a Ford Escort station wagon with Kanji, wide tires, and Limp Bizkit stickers on the rear hatch
You claim you lost the race because you had a passenger in the car.
You claim how if you went from a roll you would have beat him.
You claim you lost because you missed a shift... and your car is an automatic.
You claim you lost because he must have been on the juice..
Flying past the person who is 10 car lengths in front of you after they have put on their brakes.. and claim a victory.
after losing you flip your opponent off... rev your motor and fail to break the wheels loose even around a corner.
Tell everyone about how you lost the cop because of your "driving skills."
you are a white kid driving an import.. wear baggy pants/hat turned around, walk with a fake limp and end every sentence with "yew know wha I'm sayin? Relate."
Your idea of aiming a handgun is raising your arm over your head, pointing the gun away from you, and then just letting your wrist fall to the side to where the gun is almost sideways ...
drive around in a $20,000 import with $10,000 in mods.. and still live with your parents.
You can relate to every line of the song "Pretty Fly For A White Guy" by the Offspring
you take offense when I say.. "your sister is like your car.. small, tight and hard to get into."
You are a skinny, backwards hat wearing, dog chain wallet, 2 ft wide pants leg, Limp Bizkit looking white boy fag with a badly applied peroxide hair color treatment and temporary rub-on tattoos!

--------------------------------------------------- The following submissions to the list are from Chris (GreenMitsuE1)------------
You've spent more on graphics and decals than you have in gas, for the whole year
You sound like you're going 90, but you're creeping past 25
You upgraded to the "big bore" 2 inch exhaust
You lose 2 mpg by installing a body kit
Your wing is so large that if you go faster than 65, your bumper drags
You think "displacement" is something that happens to homeless people
Yugo's give you a run for the money
You continuously run red lights because they are invisible thru your red window tint
15's are considered HUGE rims
You can reach back and defrost the rear window by hand
You will race anyone, anytime, and already know that you will lose
You think Moby is one of the greatest composers of our time
You spend all your money pimping it out because spending money to make it faster is a waste
Your little sister is the only one impressed with your car
When you win a race, you don't really win, it's just that the other guy felt soooo sorry for you
You think your mom's Corolla is fast
The cross section of your exhaust tip is bigger than the contact patch of your tires
Your aftermarket tach is bigger than your fist
You bought the big ass tach to try to scare off the fast cars
But all it does is let people know how hard you have to push it to exceed the legal speed limit
You rev on school busses
Hell, you rev on people in electric wheelchairs
You buy and install custom rims a pair at a time
YOU REALIZE THAT ALL OF THE ABOVE IS TRUE AND YOU STILL THINK YOU'RE COOL!!!
You've entered a 12 step program called "How to come to terms with your limitations"
The bill of your hat gets caught when you roll the window up
You really want to kick my ass right now
You cut 2" holes in your rear bumper and don't know what they're for
You cut 2" holes in your rear bumper and DO know what they're for
You go to the auto paint store and pick out the most retina burning color you can find
You buy race gas to drop you from 17.02 to 16.9 in the quarter, and then tell all your friends how fast you went
You add a second battery to power all the neon, and the mini disco ball
You add a wing on TOP of your car, 'cause wagons need down force too
You've ever painted bare, raw fiberglass black and said "Look! It's just like carbon fiber!"
You get pimped out props from the mini truck crowd
You still only get dates from high school girls
You actually own a pair of light up glasses from Checker Auto
When you install your super phat wing, you put the pointy ends up
You purchase and install a body kit, one piece at a time
You saw the "Rice Boy" magazine in the back of Sport Compact, and inquired about a subscription
Your brother is pissed cause you stole the muffler off his dirt bike (it was a direct fit!)
Your dad is worried cause you bought a car with less displacement than his lawnmower
So Sad :(
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Rice is such a split topic. There are good and bad ricers. I personally do not agree with any of them, but at least some do something worthwhile.
Good ricers MODIFY their cars, bad ricers "RICE" their cars out. The former put real performance parts on thier cars to make them really go faster and maybe even handle better(?), wheras the later just do it to look cool/fast. Both sides add usless and excessive stereos systems, seizure inducing lighting, pointless wings and bodykits, etc to the mix.
My real beef with the ricerboys is the bad ricers. (and quite frankly, most are the bad type, simply because the cost to make the cars they typically mod any good is high.) Basically, they are just plain ignorant: They try to make thier car LOOK fast, but they are just slowing it down and making it even worse and retarded looking. Furthermore, they then drive and act like they have a fast car! This stupidity then oozes all over my age-group, and makes us all look ignorant. ARG! I could go on and on about everything the bad ricers do to piss me off, but it's late so I won't.
- GC Coilovers, Eibach 225/250 race springs, Illuminas, XR3000, other odds-n-ends.

There aint no good/bad ricers... That makes no sense at all! True ricers dont do performance mods at all.
85' 300ZX NA
86' 300ZX Turbo
88' 300ZX Turbo
89' 300ZX Turbo
300ZX Turbo Project
Post Edited (Mar 20, 9:19pm)

I guess that gets into the ricer / tuner deal. I was just talking generaly. It was late, what can I say. What I refered to as "good ricers are tuners, and the "bad ricers" are the ricerboys. I heard some talking in school today - saying thet Walmart was the bet place to buy air filters. LOL!
- GC Coilovers, Eibach 225/250 race springs, Illuminas, XR3000, other odds-n-ends.