Seems like its becoming more and more popular to set up a cross and little memorial at the spot where someone has died in a car crash. Is this happening everywhere? Personally I dont like seeing them all over the place. Whats your take on this?
1970 240zt 326whp 320ft/lbs @ 13 psi,

I think it is alright...always a friendly reminder to me that it is important to not only enjoy driving, but driving safely...and safe according to generally accepted rules such as driving within reasonable margin to the speed limit, using your blinker, and being defensive in traffic. Also a good reminder not to DUI. I always say a quick prayer for the family of the person who lost their life at that particular spot...just seems right.
Although I can see where it might be annoying to some.
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It seems annoying, but when you consider the enormity of a human life being lost in something stupid like a car crash, it takes on a different meaning.
Would you feel the same way if it was your (substitute close relative here)?
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Theres already government imposed reminders around everycorner. I see them as more of a cry for attention/sympathy than a friendly reminder.
1970 240zt 326whp 320ft/lbs @ 13 psi,

A government imposed reminder itself isn't quite as effective as a lost life due to not heeding the government imposed reminder.
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Pete1978z: "It's not that I think stupidity should be punishable by death, I just think we should take the warning labels off of everything and let the problem take care of itself."

We still have some "uncontrolled intersections" on the gravel roads here.
What that means is the first one to the intersection has the right of way.
There is one that's had a few deaths in recent years. It has some markers and now it is controlled.
My opinion would be is a few is okay.
But on the other hand. Some one died there. People are too complacent.
Why do we have lights turn off automatically now?
Real reason is people have their head in other places then where it should be. If it's too much clutter then people should pull their head out.
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I witnessed an idiot driver in a Honda CRX come passing and weaving up a hill, making others swerve in rainy slippery conditions.
When he crested the blind top, I saw his brake lights come on, and them twitch before dipping out of sight.
He crested the hill (blind) to find two semis in the lanes, slowing down for a red light ahead. He slammed on his brakes, turned the wheel, and to take a line form Lynrd Skynrd: "Oak Tree, You're in my way!"
So the next year, on the anniversary of his stupidity, there are these big white billboards about "friends taken from us" blah blah blah!
People were stopping to write things on it, so I did, as well.
"Drive like an idiot, on public streets in the rain, DIE! Better you than me. Next time around, don't be an idiot, and maybe you'll live to see 18. You cut me off, as well as endangered at least 7 other people, maybe God decided it was time for you to come home and try again some other time!"
And walked away. Personally, that stupid SOB could have killed me, or any number of other people. I feel no sympathy for people who do stupid things. Normally I would drive on by, but having witnessed the accident, there was no way I couldn't stop and see what all the rukus was about.
I do, however, respect memorials for people killed by idiots and drunks on the road.
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I'm with Roostmonkey on this one, when I see them I'm just like "oops he didnt make it then" lol I'm cruel, but some of them are in the most stupidest spots like on the side of a long straight etc where there's no possible way they could of crashed there unless they fell asleep or were drunk as sh!t etc.
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"but some of them are in the most stupidest spots like on the side of a long straight etc where there's no possible way they could of crashed there unless they fell asleep or were drunk as sh!t etc."
Word!
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I don't mind the rodeside crosses so much. The parts that bother me are all of the candles, and all of the flowers, and baloons,and the pictures on the signs. Looks like a mexican funeral to me, no offense to that, but keep the memorials in their proper places. I guess I just think all of the Catholic Paraphernalia is stupid, but I guess that just goes back to my religious beliefs, who knows.
I never had any problem remembering loved ones that have passed, for any reason. To me that is a personal thing, so I guess that is another reason I don't care for them as well.
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There is a memorial a few miles from my house where six young live were lost a few years ago .One of the girls was a close friend of my sons. Ihope every time he drives by it reminds him of how fragile life is .And respect a car for the deadly insturment it can be if abused.So not they dont bother me at all.
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maybe the memorials on the side of a long straight are for the innocents killed by the other driver who fell asleep or was drunk as sh!t.
Give the loved ones left behind a break already. They're the ones grieving enough to start the memorials in the first place.
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everybody does stupid things at points in their lives. some make it and some don't. if you're reading this it means you've made it through your stupid mistakes. doesn't mean you should laugh at those that haven't.
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While some may say they are fools, where in this post did anyone advocate laughing at them?
I mean, I guess I can---if people do stupid things and die, who am I not to see the humour in it.
What I have a problem with is people making statements like "he was taken from us" or some of the other useless drivel thoes idiots put on that roadside memorial I wrote upon.
I mean, I was THERE, I SAW what that idiot did. And then abunch of woe-is-me'rs come along without a clue in the world how much he endangered others by his ludicrous actions and write flowery crap.
People who are dangerous need something severe to wake them up---and youthful stupidity is many times rewarded with death. I find it ironic the society can so totally disregard someones actions while alive, and suddenly show respect and reverence once they are dead---almost making them some sort of saint.
It's wrong.
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Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"

I think a small cross is ok, or a little plaque or something...but when you get into the extravagant, it gets annoying. It's one thing to lose your friend or family member, it's another to not let them go; if you know what I mean.

Don't get me started.
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72n made the point I was thinking. It may well be the majority of those signs are usually dedicated for someone who was killed by a drunk driver or died due to imperfect driving in bad weather.
But as Tony_D points out, that certainly isn't always the case. Even if someone was doing something stupid, that doesn't mean he necessarily deserves to die. We'd all be executed on that count, that I'm sure of.
However, he went 'all in' on the cards he was delt and the pot was an oak tree, so that's how it goes.
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From a purely informational standpoint, I guess I don't mind them. I look at them in the manner of Hamlet pondering his own mortality looking at Yorick's skull. They died. I will die. If not on the roads, then somewhere else. God help me, though, if anyone plants a flowery cross where I meet my end, I'm comin' back with a fiery vengeance!

Words to live by! People who drive when conditions are bad get what's coming to them. Nothing is worth your life if you are driving to it!
It can all wait till the weather blows over!
You can usually tell the "victim" memorials. Usually there will be a small statement to that effect. Not 2.5 miles from the IDIOTS death sight, was another small, tasteful cross erected for a wonderful young girl who worked at the Circle K at the corner of VanBuren and Wood Road.
This poor girl was riding her bike home from the night shift, she had just turned 21, and was in school working through it. Always perky, and while I was undergoing my legal travails, always had something nice to say whenever I saw her.
Some drunk piled into her while she was riding 3' off the unpaved shoulder. Launched her several yards, mangled her bike, and then braked hard. (Evidence in the mud) Then simply drove away.
That poor girl laid on the roadside, unable to call for help, and expired about 1/2 hour before I went to work in the pre-dawn hours the next morning. She was found by highschoolers on their way to early band practice. Hit and left to die by the roadside on an unlit side road.
For a while the cross was up, now there is a subdivision there.
I don't need a cross to remind me of her face, of her perky smile and upbeat attitude. It's in my head. And it's one of the many reasons I hat anyone who thinks driving while intoxicated in any form is acceptable.
No, I don't need a cross to remind me of that girl. Not at all.
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A good friend of mine lost his son. Kid was in highschool riding with a buddy. The driver lost it (no reason given. perhaps only inexperience) not due to speed, drugs etc & both were killed. Years later, ask my friend how he's doing the answer is ALWAYS the same "one day at a time". We were going to pick up some gas for the grill & passed the accident site. He remarked "I have to go straighten XXX's cross". When I pass a cross, I'm sorry someone died & thankful it wasn't one of my loved ones.
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We have cemetaries and put headstones to honor the deceased. What if everyone started putting these memorials up wherever someone passed? Guy has a heart attack playing ball with his kid in the town park.Do we need to see a cross whenever we go to the park?
1970 240zt 326whp 320ft/lbs @ 13 psi,

Around Atlanta and Nth Georgia I see them alot with all the windshield time I get. I Know alot of them are done by kids who have had friends die while driving. And most of those the teen driver was at fault and killed himself or a friend or some one else. I pretty much agree with TonyD on this one. And I also think there is a proper place to pay your respects for those who died and the side of the road anit it. Do you ever see one and get distracted wondering how they died or looking for impacts where that hit that tree. Whats next memorials every where someone suffurs a tragic death? Between the shootings and car crashs that happen here you would have to wade through them all.
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83ZX Turbo

Junkman thats a sad story .Roostmonkey makes a good point .Where does it end. I acutualy saw a family or mabey some friends putting some flowers at a accident site . i stop and thing what if that was me doing that .This supject has gotten more respose than I have seen in a long while.Brings you back to the real world
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There's one on the interstate all the way up this hill, and it makes me wonder how they managed that one. As for this topic I agree with Tony_D. No reason to remember those who were stupid and put other innocent individuals in harm's way. More often than not, it is the unsuspecting ones that have the memorials up in their memory. That is nice. I think that it serves as a helpful reminder to drive defensively and carefully.
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I just cant help thinking half the time I see them, "how in the hell did they crash there!"
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Yeah, the one i'm talking about is at least 20 or 30 feet up a steep hill. Like they drove up the hill or something and then hit a tree. Who knows.
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They probably just crashed nearby on the interstate and the people put the crosses that far up so nobody could careen off the road and destroy the memorial.
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1974 Corvette Stingray:
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1994 Acura Integra:
1.8L, 5 Spd, 189,000 and Counting!

I think your missing the point. It shouldnt come down to who's worthy and who deserved to bite it, but is this the place for friends and relatives to show their respects? I dont feel it is, no matter what the circumstances were.
1970 240zt 326whp 320ft/lbs @ 13 psi,

Eventually it will look as though we're driving thru a neverending cemetary. Death is a major component of life but we dunt need to have it in our faces everytime we go somewhere.
1970 240zt 326whp 320ft/lbs @ 13 psi,

Why do people think it's o.k. to place "memorials" on other peoples property?
I also see a lot of "those" crosses in places where driver stupidity is the only logical explanation.
I see them along the tracks too.I'm supposed to feel sorry for some putz that tried to beat my train at the crossing?Or fell of while riding a car?Not a F'in chance.
"There is a memorial a few miles from my house where six young live were lost a few years ago .One of the girls was a close friend of my sons. Ihope every time he drives by it reminds him of how fragile life is .And respect a car for the deadly insturment it can be if abused.So not they dont bother me at all."
If your son needed a "memorial" at the spot to remind him,he hasn't learned the lesson and never will.
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Posted by Tony:I find it ironic the society can so totally disregard someones actions while alive, and suddenly show respect and reverence once they are dead---almost making them some sort of saint.
Exactly-why should we talk about someone different just because their dead?Christopher Reeve comes to mind.but i digress.
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Ok personally i wouldn't want one and i don't think its appropriate, however how a person died whether it was dumb doesn't change if someone misses them so saying that those that died of their own stupidity don't deserve one seems kind of harsh.
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DONT let something like that annoy you, if it does annoy you, you must be some kind of tight a$$, why the hell is it your business if someone put a memorial sign somewhere if its not your property, and not your relative that died there, think about the grieving families, i hope it doesnt annoy you to the point where you ask them to take it down, if you do i hope your in for a serious ass whipping...
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I beleive the memorial should be left there but a sign should be placed at each one either "this person died because of someones elses stupidity" or "this person died of their own stupidity". The majority of memorials I've seen are as a result of the deceased doing something stupid like drunk driving, racing, or speeding. Most people don't understand how dangerous it really is to drive, I believe all of the safety systems that have come up in the past few years should be abolished airbags, ABS, traction control and all the others. The longer a poor driver stays on the road the more people he or she will hurt.
Accident means you had no control. Such an event rarely occurs and only during a catastrophic failure.
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I almost became one of those crosses. I too was hit by a drunk driver while riding a bike after dark back in January of last year. The guy rear ended me in an SUV...sent my flipping over the handlebars...flying who knows how far. The tremendous power of an impact like that is something I will never forget. Totalled my bike, cracked my helmet, broke a few teeth. Other than that only cuts and bruises. I was lucky to escape with my life and be here to tell the story. I'm left with a couple fake teeth to remind me of that every time I look in the mirror.
The guy who hit me at least had the decency to stop. It was on a frontage road and people on the highway witnessed the accident and stopped to help. Its too bad that young girl wasn't so lucky. 21 is just too young to die.
I see nothing wrong with the crosses. Its true that people who endanger others shouldn't be excused, but unless you personally know the story behind the memorial you have no idea whether it was an innocent victim or a menace that had what was coming to him. I say take the pragmatic view and have a little respect for the people they left behind. Being "annoyed" by a memorial is no comparison for the pain felt by grieving friends and family.
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Theres a memorial over here in Long Beach for a young girl.
"LONG BEACH, Calif. Investigators are looking into the cause of a car accident that killed a Long Beach teenager Monday.
Sixteen-year-old Amanda Carter was in an SUV that skidded off an intersection of the Garden Grove Freeway and Studebaker Road and into a flood control channel.
At least three men plunged into the rain-swollen channel to try to rescue Carter, but their efforts were thwarted by a swift current and muddy waters. The girl was underwater for at least 30 minutes before her body was pulled out by rescue workers.
Authorities say the streets were relatively dry and it wasn't raining at the time."
Turns out the girl was going too fast and skidded into the flood channel. 16 years old, figures.
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Actually me and Tony talked about that this weekend… it is no wonder that in the US allot of people (mainly young) die in traffic…
As you should have a class drivers permit with a hp restriction… for instance a Z or ZXT or even TT… you are 16 and can get one… well they are not the easiest and safest cars to learn how to drive in … actually RWD should NOT be allowed to a certain mileage.. These things are potential weapons ! so a little training would not hurt
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if you are fully in control, you are not driving fast enough!
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In a world where people travel faster than life it's life that takes the toll.
The unfortunate fact of the matter is, no matter how hard we try to save lives and keep people from killing themselves and others around them, there is the population control factor that we can never defeat. So long as there's a way to get killed doing something, we as humans will find it and sadly it's the usually the younger generations that do it.
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Now you want to place a sign at each spot???????? The whole idea of marking a "spot" where someone has lost there life is BS. People die all day everyday...thats life!! What gives someone the right to shove it in our faces ?
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The Bill of Rights... :-\
Just kidding, man, I don't want to spark another political debate.
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I pass one of the memorials every day on my way in to work near Detroit (almost always while stopped in bumper-to-bumper traffic). This particular memorial is adorned with a flag, a teddy bear and some fake flowers. The problem is that Detroit is a very dirty place and the winters bring plow trucks that throw the winter grime well onto the shoulder. This memorial as well as the items with it are filthy and badly tattered. It has been in this condition for at least a year. I have no idea what the circumstances were behind the death, but all I can think of every day is how sad it looks to have a neglected memorial. I'm not a big fan of them in the first place, but this one looks as though the family doesn't care enough to keep it looking nice. I feel worse for the person that died due to the family's neglect than I do for their dying in the accident. Now, the maintenance crews have to mow and trim around this thing week in and week out, trying to not damage the stuffed bear or flowers even though the family hasn't taken the time to wash the grime off the teddy bear in the last year.
Jeff
Northville, Michigan
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Most of the crosses are on public right of ways and are not a problem. We don't need new laws, just a little common sense. If someone wants to put up a cross, ok let them. If it becomes a problem. have the road crew take it down. Simple, no muss, no fuss.
Anyone can drive a new car.

This is ALL an indication of the "ME ME ME" generation. Because people value THEIR emotions more than the property rights of others, they decide they can prop up a memorial because THEY think it's something THEY have a RIGHT to do!
The Oak Tree in my example as emblazoned with bedsheets, and a 4X8' melanamine board tacked to it, with a cross, and all sorts of other TRASH dumped on this poor landowner's tree. I'm sure the spikes they nailed in there were GREAT for the tree's health.
I mean, just because YOU want to remember, don't force EVERYONE to look at YOUR gaudy display.
There is a time and a place for everything. I used to live amongst tombs on Okinawa, and every year during a certian period, the families would come out and have picnics, clean up the gravesite, burn inscense, etc etc etc. I always offered my toilet facilities because their tombs were there before my house was, and they did their thing in a dignified, respectful manner.
But this gaudy roadside crap is just a bunch of people thinking THEIR loss was greater than someone elses, so they have to go and wear their emotions on a sleeve. Part of the pop-psych school. It really is disgusting.
GO TO THEIR GRAVESITE, don't go to my front yard every year and lay a bunch of TRASH there that I have to CLEAN UP after you all leave and the rain comes and turns it into mush all over my grass. Which is what happens to most of these sites.
I mean, I can see a "tasteful cross" or even a "Spirit Pole" with something like So-and-So died by a drunnk driver, and the date. But really, isn't that what a freaking TOMBSTONE is for?
Like my grandfather used to say:"When I die, stick a hambone up my a$$ and let the dog drag me out and bury me!"
I mean, people GET A GRIP! Things have a proper time and place, other people's property IS NOT the place for a memorial! That's what a cemetary is for...But it's ME ME ME nowadays, and "they need to do this towork through their grief.
Man, wonder what people did years ago?
This may sound a bit tweaked, but with all the travelling I do, I spend a LOT of time in Cemeteries. Seriously. If I can find a National Cemetery, I will spend a whole day on a weekend walking through and reading epitaths. Walked most of the Keokuk Cemetery in Iowa, side by side were CSA and USA tombstones. The problem with the people who put these things up is they are making it CONVIENIENT for THEM to visit the site, or remember, rather than taking the time to go to the Cemetery and pay respects. I'm in England now, and the old churches with moss-grown tombstones hundreds of years old are absolutely fascinating. For the time I read the stones, those people are thought of once again. Many times I wonder---how long has one of these fallen soldiers been visited here by relatives or descendants? Sadly, without freaks like me visiting them as holiday recreation, I think some of them are long forgotten. I have seen whole families laid side by side with this epidemic or that listed as the reason for death.
Like Roostmonkey says, death accompanies us everywhere. There is no reason for these things, really. But because it's convienient for people to drive by an allay their guilt for never visiting the proper gravesite because they are "just too busy"!
We never did find Grandpa, Dixie hauled him off one afternoon, and we never did find where she buried him!
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"Christopher Reeve comes to mind. But i digress."
LOL, ROMFALOL!
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Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"

Putting them on the public right-of-way is LITTERING, and they should be ticketed!
This goes to RM's point: they really should not be there AT ALL!
That is what a cemetary is for!
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Tony, if it's a problem, YOU take them down. You could act as a concerned citizen doing your civic duty by picking up the trash. Me, I really don't give a sh it if they're there or not. Now, real littering is a problem - especially here in redneck Tennessee.
Anyone can drive a new car.

Who cares?
That should sum it up right there.
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I do. Tony said it better than I was able to, Its the ME ME crowd showing the oh woe is me's to us that dont give a zhit and my whole point is WHERE will it end? I dont want to go into a diner and see some cross on my chair because some dickhead choked on a kaiser roll the week before or have to dodge buoyies in the lake because some drunk got run over on a jetski. Its just a BS cry for public sympathy thats, as others have said, short lived and usually turns into an eye sore. Theres no honor in that.
1970 240zt 326whp 320ft/lbs @ 13 psi,

Arubabill I didnt say he needed it
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People are by nature for themselves.
Roost, if you don't like it, clean up the site. As far as jet skis, it's usually the dicks that are riding them. Jet skis need to be banned as they are a run by people who make them a menace.
Anyone can drive a new car.

Oh really..is that what you read? or is there some punk on YOUR lake that looks like he's having way more fun than you. Think about how narrow minded your last comment was. And this has nothing to do with jetski's are you ADD?
1970 240zt 326whp 320ft/lbs @ 13 psi,

Roost, everything is connected. You're the one that mentioned jet skis. Not really narrow minded, just opinionated. I just mentioned that in my opinion, they are frequently used irresponsibly & dangerously. One of the little fu cks ran into my sail boat & I got pissed. He apparently didn't see that 25' boat with the big white thing sticking up in the air. That or he couldn't drive worth a flip.
Anyone can drive a new car.

Another useless topic. If you guys worry about sh** like this you need to really get a grip on your priorities.
Jetskiis are cool. He probably was gonna jump your wimpy wake and got to laughing and lost judgement on his distance after he realized you were only going 3 mph.

A memorial for a short period of time would be no problem. A chance for friends and family to say goodbye. Sometimes it is better to say goodbye at the place where it occured. That being said after a period of time say a week or so the big messy crap needs to go. If they want to have a small cross or something similar fine. But all the ones I see here in Dallas look like the rejects from a florist who is run by rejected stuffed toy makers and clowns. A quick reminder memorial that is shown on the news can do some good but when it is old and decayed it is disgusting.
just my 2 cents worth

Nice embellishment of my last post! EXACTLY! Oh woe is ME! Look at MY grief! See /u]MY loss?
Like he said, WE ALL HAVE IT! Get OVER it, don't muddle up the roadside with this swarf!
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Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"

Yeah 240, jet skis are great. It's just the idiots that drive them that are the problem. When he runs out of gas, I'll wave as I pass.
Anyone can drive a new car.

And I'm spent............
1970 240zt 326whp 320ft/lbs @ 13 psi,

Actually !in AUstrailia they have a power to weight ratio thing for drivers upto 21 ... ( they start at 18! ) so from 16 to say 19 a max power to weight ratio.... would safe lives!
You can sleep in your car, but cant drive in your house
if you are fully in control, you are not driving fast enough!
79 ZXR 46K!
81 ZXT EURO 2+2
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So when i was 16 i had a 9 second 900 hp Vega street driver and should have killed myself in it? by the time i was 18 i had 5 different street vehicles running faster than 11's as daily drivers. its not the power of the car its the stupidity of the driver.

These have been around Houston for 20 + years on Public Right of Way medians and such. Some of the areas are just strange, residential where no one should have been going fast enough for a lethal collision.
I think MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Drivers) started this.
My point (working in a Hospital I see Life & Death everyday) - the more you see of this becomes - ( What's the point? ) it's de-sensitation - the message is lost on the public.
Maybe loved ones feel better; that they had to do something but to the passerby it's not even noticed.
Napoleon Bonapart - " One death is a tradgedy: a million deaths is just a statistic".
We see such graphic images of death and violence from News on TV to really graphic on video games and movies and even song lyrics. Is it any wonder that some, unthinking mindless people become sociopathic - they don't care about anyone around them.
They don't "think" that their actions have consequences - many times more so for others than themselves.
It's one thing not to think before hand - even worse not to care after.
Ed and Jeanne's
ZXelda 1981 280 ZXT: ZXena 1990 300 ZX
1941 Buick Special Sedanette (Betty)
1956 Dodge Royal (Dorothy)
1971 Buick Riviera (Rita)
1975 Ford F-150 Stepside (Fiona)
1992 Firebird (Frieda)

' Re: Roadside memorials
Author: briann510
Date: Mar 10, 3:04pm
So when i was 16 i had a 9 second 900 hp Vega street driver and should have killed myself in it? by the time i was 18 i had 5 different street vehicles running faster than 11's as daily drivers. its not the power of the car its the stupidity of the driver.'
Stupidity in cars is mostly a lack of skills...
And statistically speaking you at 16 got lucky... you where not born a skilled driver... circumstances just where in your favor I take .. however a 16 YO with a 900HP vega ... is insanity, actually frankly ignorant to think to be 100% safe .
You can sleep in your car, but cant drive in your house
if you are fully in control, you are not driving fast enough!
79 ZXR 46K!
81 ZXT EURO 2+2
83 ZXT
All fine Fastback winnabego's
Post Edited (Mar 10, 6:34am)

'Not that i dont agree the fact that there are 50 year olds that are still not safe to drive... ooh well you can argu this one all you like ...
But i have statistics on my side ... since they invoked this law "down under" rates dropped!
You can sleep in your car, but cant drive in your house
if you are fully in control, you are not driving fast enough!
79 ZXR 46K!
81 ZXT EURO 2+2
83 ZXT
All fine Fastback winnabego's

i ran around with probably 15-20 other guys my age then and we all had 600-900 hp cars. i dont recall a one of us ever losing it and wrecking one. I remember lining up 4 across on the freeway and racing to well above 120 mph every weekend all night long for years and never a mishap. i guess we all leanred our skills really well in those stupid drivers ed trailers.
then i look at my son and how he had skills right from the get go. when he was 16 he was driving my 650 hp pontiac and at 17 my 11 second Z06 and his 12 second 240z and moving to his 10 second R1. he never had a mishap either (knocking on wood) so far in his first years of driving high performance cars and i cant count on 2 hands how many people his age i know have cracked up their cars the first 6 months driving.
i think stupid drivers just show off too much and get into trouble and just dont pay attention. if you got a good head on your shoulders and think before and while you drive and stay off a damn cell phone you might do ok.

Then your son is an exeption to the rule... i see loads of stupid youngster that should not be driving high HP cars YET!
You can sleep in your car, but cant drive in your house
if you are fully in control, you are not driving fast enough!
79 ZXR 46K!
81 ZXT EURO 2+2
83 ZXT
All fine Fastback winnabego's

the roadside is NOT the place for this stuff. pull 'em all up. just because someone has a loss does not mean that they should litter the roadside.

I totally agree!
And send the litterbugs the bill for the "summary abatement" from the county road comission!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"