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1990na 2+2 5spd.(sold,10/09/05)
If you can't trust a Spanish used car dealer with an English sir name using a Cameroon e-mail account, who can you trust?

Jesus Christ.
1976 280Z
Draw-Through Turbo, 10 PSI, 4 Bbl Holley, E88, L28 (Flat), 10:1 CR, 5 Spd
1974 Corvette Stingray:
350, 400 Automatic, T-Tops, 8.5:1 CR, 78,000 Miles
1994 Acura Integra:
1.8L, 5 Spd, 189,000 and Counting!

That's ridiculous. I hope that they find the children who did that and punish them farther than the law permits.
1976 280Z
Draw-Through Turbo, 10 PSI, 4 Bbl Holley, E88, L28 (Flat), 10:1 CR, 5 Spd
1974 Corvette Stingray:
350, 400 Automatic, T-Tops, 8.5:1 CR, 78,000 Miles
1994 Acura Integra:
1.8L, 5 Spd, 189,000 and Counting!

Those kids should be beaten and their parents put in jail. The kids should also be neutered so they can never pass their a$$hole genes on to another generation. Kids today have no respect for other peoples stuff. Little pukes, they should be removed from society. Obviously, they won't be usefull members anytime soon.
1972 240Z 4-speed, header, 3.54 R200, Crane XR-3000 Ignition, 280Z tach, Tokico Blue Struts, Suspension Tech Springs, Poly Bushings. Visit me at my website for your custom EFI & restored Datsun parts

$1,700,000 JESUS!!
'74 260z TURBO
'86 300zx N/A (SLOW!)
"All your base are belong to us" - God
Suck. Squeez. Bang. Blow.

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LOL...
Somebody there is a Russell Crowe Fan.
(Romperstompers)
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"

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Bastards, They should have to repay all that plus intrest.
SHIFT_PPSSHHHTT... I love it, I love it
1973 240z, 2.8L Turbo, BRE Style
z31 ECCS and MAF swap
Spooled Up Racing ®
http://spooledupracing.tripod.com/home.htm

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who the heck has a warehouse full of expensive cars with zero security and all the keys in the cars that are gassed and ready to go?
yea, make the kids pay the insurance company every penny w/interest but for damn sure raise the insurance rate risk on the looser that made it so easy to trash em.

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Disgruntled former employee(s)?
-Pete
1978 Z ATK F54-P79
Drink Sobe No Fear Gold
Tokico Illuminas, Poly bushings,Techno Tuning TC rods. Bad Dog frame rails. Toyota 4 piston calipers & power slot rotors. MSA 2.5” turbo exhaust & K&N cold air intake. H4’s

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Fry 'em!

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I wouldnt go so far as to call the guy that owned all the cars a LOSER. I mean, the cars never made it out of the garage, so it would seem his security system was not all that bad.
sounds like this guy has a LOT of cars. Dealerships have all their keys in one lock box and all the cars on the lot are gassed up and ready to go, are they losers because of this?
Just because some sh!theads found a way into a locked garage and cracked open the key box does not mean the owner should be punished with higher rates.
McAdam
1980 280zx with a mildly ported N47 maxima head, 60mm TB, -C- stamp 256 degree camshaft, and a 2.5inch mandrel bent exhaust. yeah, its quick, and yeah, its a 2+2. NOW with MSandS_E power!

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sure i hope it does mean higher rates since it shows that just about anyone can (and did) come in and do 1.7 million in damage. he's a looser because he lost rare cars. if they were stored, why were they fueld and battery connected? (winners not only remove batteries during storage, they employ a guard for $10/hr and give them a rifle. much cheaper in the long run.)
car lots are different since the cars are delivered for resale so their state is not "in storage". cars inside usually at least have their batteries disconnected. ymmv.

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What if he drives them every day? (not every car every day, but each car gets driven once every 2 or 3 weeks? That would be a pain in the ass to have them not fueled up and battery disconnected every single time you wanna drive! There is no reason you can bitch at the owner for that. He should've had a better security system in the fact that no one arrived there to catch the kids in the act.
My guardian angel has twin turbos. . .
1995 Cobalt Green NA
1988 Maroon 300ZX NA (sold)

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he does not strike me as the type that would swing his own wrenches. he probably has a mechanic to take care of the "pain-in-the-ass" boring maintenance with the cars anyway.

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Making his living swimming alongside a Shark, feeding on the largesse...
Not a bad gig if you can get it. Like being a "kept man"...
LOL
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"

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You are missing the point here guys. You shouldn't be complaining about the owner. The kids are the sh!theads here, don't forget that. They didn't break in to steal a car, they just wanted to smash his up. If it had been a theif, then sure, tlak about how dumb the owner was to leave the cars gassed up and ready to go. Since the kids never got out, it would seem he may have contained them, but since their only objective was to destroy someone elses property, they didn't care. If you are guarding against theives, I would thinkm cantainment is a good option. If a theif can't get out with the car, he is pretty likely to just leave. Punk a$$ kids don't care if they can't get the cars out, they just want to smash things that don't belong to them.
1972 240Z 4-speed, header, 3.54 R200, Crane XR-3000 Ignition, 280Z tach, Tokico Blue Struts, Suspension Tech Springs, Poly Bushings. Visit me at my website for your custom EFI & restored Datsun parts

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TKR-your ignorance is just astounding.
The owner can't(shouldn't) leave HIS property the way HE wants to because some $hit head MAY come along and break the LAW.
BTW-it's LOSER-not looser.
and in England guns are against the law for "commoners" to own.
Faster than a Motorola

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I don't really know what to say... Whatever punishment these kids are going to get will not be relative to the damage they caused. Just sickening that anyone could do something like this. I mean, this isn't smashing hot wheels in the backyard here, these are extremely valuable and probably irreplaceable items.
'73 Turbo, not much stock. Sold now... :-(

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"Russel Crowe Fans"
"Romperstompers"
Watch the movie, and see what goes on in the rich guys garage.
I will LAY MONEY the scene is this poor bastard's place was identical---same mentality of people doing the "dodgem"!
He he he "Bumper Cars"! LOL
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"

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Uh, you can own firearms in Her Majesty's Commonwealth.
It is just heavily regulated.
And in any case, there is no really affirmative defense of property there, so using one on the perps would bring down Her Majesty's Court System on the shooter, instead of the shootee!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"

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Get a scalpel, and remove the lowest portion of their bellybutton---the furthest portion inward.
Tie it tightly with a fish hook through it, so it's secure, and then pull them inside out from it's internal attachments.
So shall it be said, so shall it be done: I command it!
Then again, the last kid who vandalizd cars in Singapore got his butt-good!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"

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no, it's NOT the owners "fault". I never said that.
i said that when an owner does not take better care to monitor almost 2 million in assets that he SHOULD have his rates raised.
an no, guns are NOT illegal in england. just call it "sport shooting" and it's fine.

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what does lol mean?
1975 280Z [STOCK]
the answer lies not within the question but rather within the answer itself!

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tkr your being absolutely ridiculous. The guy has a bunch of fancy car probably in a scure and locked garage that probably has a window. Easy for kids to break into a window.
Sure he could have an alarm system and maybe he did. Maybe he was away. You raise insurance rates for this?
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Red 83 280zx 2+2
83 280zx Coupe SOLD
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LOL= laughing out loud, just an internet term when a joke or funny comment is made.
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Red 83 280zx 2+2
83 280zx Coupe SOLD
1st post 11/13/04

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I fail to see any humor in this. I must have missed something. who had them, where he had them, why he had them is not the issue. some punk kids [a product of our modern society] decided to have some fun and trash the property of a collector. as rabid as we are about our Z's I would expect nothing but outrage from this site
So shall it be said, so shall it be done: I command it! lol
1975 280Z [STOCK]
the answer lies not within the question but rather within the answer itself!

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You know, I think the space aliens and gorillas might have taken out the guards, and the EMP set off by the terrorists might have disabled the guy's security cameras.
What's my point?
Oh, just that it doesn't say what kind of security was on the garage in the article, how it was circumvented, or any other such details. The article doesn't say the facility was poorly secured. Nor does it say there were aliens and terrorists. We're just making that part up.
It is therefore premature to make any sort of judgment call on the owner of the facility or his foresight to prevent unauthorized access.
'74 260z---NA L28 MSnS-E w/ Innovate Wideband
Already sparking, soon to be squirting.
Cogito, ergo dolorum.

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That's shocking! Crazy Brits! lol
85' 300ZX NA
86' 300ZX Turbo
88' 300ZX Turbo
89' 300ZX Turbo
300ZX Turbo Project

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The blame is completely on the little brats. The owner is NOT a loser. Why should he be blamed for the actions of the peretrators? Unfortunately since this happened in the UK I don't see a whole lot being done to the kids or their parents.
1973 240Z 4 screw SU's, Tokico HP's, Toyota Calipers
1946 Willys-Overland CJ-2A (restoration in progress)
2006 Ural Gear-Up

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That sucks, I'd sue the parents of the kids and take every cent they've got if that was my collection.
85' 300ZX NA
86' 300ZX Turbo
88' 300ZX Turbo
89' 300ZX Turbo
300ZX Turbo Project
Post Edited (Mar 6, 7:08pm)

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"You raise insurance rates for this?"
well, suppose that YOU were insuring his cars. i'd bet you'd raise rayes or insist on better security. i'm not being ridiculous at all, i'm being sensible.

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thats what insurance is for? right? I dont feel sorry for the owner, I also have no sympathy for the kids either. I do agree somewhat with TKR though...if you have a warehouse full of antique jags dont you think you'd have the equivalent of like a brinks or ADT or whatever that immediatly alerts police if a window or door is opened or something? At the very least put the keys in a safe. How hard is it to have numbered keys in a safe? I'll admit, it's hard to judge when the full circumstances are unknown though.
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03 CS Touring
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Guys these kids need to be taken away and sold to slavery to recoup the damage they have done, The rents can "buy" them back for the price determined by the following formula
price per kid = M / n
where M = 1.7 million minus the cost of the salvaged cars -- some body will buy the beat up cars, and n is number of kids
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'74 2+2 -- MSA sway bars, Illuminas, Eibach Progressive, Energy Suspension
L28 with MN47, 240Z rods, milled down dished pistons (11.6:1 CR) and 240sx tranny
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committing suicide in small managable payments

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if i own a car worth more then $100k US then i would buy a shipping container and seal the car inside.
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1981 n/a 280zx
1952 m38a1 jeep willy's
1971 fairlady 240z
95 300zx N/A
72 240z

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is it just me or is this article only 3 sentences long? i looked for a link that would take me to the full article, but couldn't find one. i think there must be more to the article though... cuz.. well... look at all the hoopla it caused. lol
or maybe that's just it... it left too much to the imagination.
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'05 350Z Chrome Silver Touring
'73 240Z

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You think Brinks or ADT alarm calls the police right away? First the call goes the them, then they have a list of numbers to call to find out if it was a false alarm. If they can't get hold of you, they MAY call the police. Or they may have a rent-a-cop in the area or alarm tech go check it out first. The police are the last to be notified. In some cases the only exception is for fire, but there is also a protocall for that as well.
I agree as above. Why should I have to be prepared for every instance just in case someday someone decides to break in. His insurance co may have said as long as they are in a locked warehouse, in an unmarked building, with opaque windows and a simple alarm, then you are safe enough fo us. we don't know the details, and alarms are not that hard to disable.
If they found the outside phone line on the building, cut it and entered. The siren wouldn't draw attention itself especially if it were in a warehouse in an industrial area. Then the kids would have time to find the siren, and cut it's wire. Now that it's quiet, they have all night to play. If the police did get a call to check out the siren, it would just be a drive by unless forced entry was obvoius.
The kids are entirely at fault. To even think this was a good idea is a sign of bad judgement. To follow thru, is a sign of no repsect.
1972 240Z 4-speed, header, 3.54 R200, Crane XR-3000 Ignition, 280Z tach, Tokico Blue Struts, Suspension Tech Springs, Poly Bushings. Visit me at my website for your custom EFI & restored Datsun parts

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Just to get flamed on purpose I gotta say there's no real point owning such nice cars in the UK, with the traffic congestion there and their dinky little pebble stone roads what good is it having nice cars there? lol
85' 300ZX NA
86' 300ZX Turbo
88' 300ZX Turbo
89' 300ZX Turbo
300ZX Turbo Project

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like 85xz said: sue the parents..for conspiracy
Have you shared the left lane today?

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around 30 cars...
of course the kids need to be shot since this is beyond a lapse in judgement and beyond youthful horseplay. this is deadly serious so the death penalty is needed to used to prevent these seriously deranged people from being in society (and/or breeding). at least in the colonies we still have a law for the hanging for horse theives.
just like any other auto accident, insurance rates will probably go up.
79 280ZX -The best selling sports car of all time

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I love these threads when everyone gets to mindlessly rant their frustrations.
Now - I porposely said "mindlessly" because "uninformedly" sounds akward and ignorantly ( which only means not knowing) is just as inciting a flame.
We are all "ignorant" because we do not have all the facts.
We are all indignant because we all if not love, at least respect older collector cars.
1. Inside job / disgruntled employee - very very good and likely point. Gets around security system no matter what it is.
"Locks only keep honest people out"
2. Sue the parents - speaking out of ignorance, I would still bet that the parents and or the kids are on the "dole" (welfare) and you couldn't get a dime or thrupence out of them.
3. Hang'em and various other methods of punishment - well it is England or Commonwealth thereof - so as an armchair historian I believe in old time creative punishments: stocks and pillories (try siting confined for a few days and see how you feel especially when all the villagers are pelting you with eggs rotted vegies and such)?
Flailing? Drawing and quartering? Tar (very hot) & feathers - but that would conote "shame" and our modern society does not seem to have much of any "shame". Look at the interest in "Tabloid News".
4. How about real creative punishment - Chain gangs (real hard labor) that benefits the community?
Oh well - good rants all
BTW - don't pick on TKR514 so much - he means well and is no more opinionated than the rest of us - it just comes off harsher than I think he means to.
Of course I'll retract that when he gores my ox again - but then I've always said "If we didn't have Bubbles to pick on - we'd just have to pick on eachother".
Ed and Jeanne's
ZXelda 1981 280 ZXT: ZXena 1990 300 ZX
1941 Buick Special Sedanette (Betty)
1956 Dodge Royal (Dorothy)
1971 Buick Riviera (Rita)
1975 Ford F-150 Stepside (Fiona)
1992 Firebird (Frieda)

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"We are all "ignorant" because we do not have all the facts."
not really (you actually have that backwards).
ignorant people can have all the facts but will ignore them.
intelligent people can gather relevant facts and ignore the irrelevant ones.
there are enough facts to render an informed, intelligent opinion. the people who did this should be punished to the full extent of the law( that is what justice is) and the underwriter of said collection will undoubtedly be reevaluating the policy(since that is what they do).

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Ignorant can mean simply not having knowledge of a specific thing. So in this case we are all ignorant of the specifics.
Ignorant is not always an antonym for unintelligent.
Regarding this case, IMO crimes against property should always be considered less serious than crimes against people, and therefore should be punished less severely.
Millions of dollars worth of beautiful cars they may be, but in a larger sense it's still just STUFF.
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Not saying they should go easy on the kids at all, just that they shouldn't necessarily be executed...
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>4. How about real creative punishment - Chain gangs (real hard labor)
> that benefits the community?
Yes! And decrease the surplus population! Are there not workhouses??

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that's why i said "to the fullest extent of the law". small property crimes are just that, small property crimes. distroying ~30 cars worth ~1.7 million is NOT a small insignificant crime so punishment should also be at a maximum. if the fullest extent is hanging, so be it. laws without consequence hinder justice for all.

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Hanging's too good for them.
1979 280zx 5-speed w/53,000 original miles
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Dan-you have a point about it being"stuff".However,the little bastards need to be slammed and slammed hard-NOW.Do you want to wait untill they've moved on from "stuff" to people?
Faster than a Motorola

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Nothing a little Gitmo can't fix
1990na 2+2 5spd.(sold,10/09/05)
If you can't trust a Spanish used car dealer with an English sir name using a Cameroon e-mail account, who can you trust?

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What if it was your STUFF??????????????????????
1975 280Z [STOCK]
the answer lies not within the question but rather within the answer itself!

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I'd be pissed.

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sounds like an insurance scam to me
97 Nissan Laurel, drift it up! New Zealand.

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tkr, obviously hanging kids for damaging property agrees well with your moral sensibilities. It doesn't agree with mine.
ARubabill, the kids should be punished, certainly. But much less so than a rapist, murderer, kidnapper, or even mugger. IMO.
Ilya, your name would indicate Russian heritage. But your embrace of, rather than fear of, a power-mad unrestrained lawless totalitarian state indicates otherwise. Try reading Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's "Gulag Archipelago"!

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not mine (or yours) at all.
if that is the penalty under the law in the u.k., then that agrees with the morals of that country and the people there have the free will to choose to break the law (and suffer the prescribed consequenses).
it would be immoral and unsensible to suggest otherwise. free will in a free society still has consequenses.

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No dan its russian and Jewish so i think i understand the goulag and physical labor and genocide aspect. I dont obviously think that gitmo fits as a punishment for this crime, but at the same time alot of community hours and stiff monetary penalty will probobly discourage them from being this dumb again. However at the same time dictatorships and police states do have the lowest rates of crime out of any government
1990na 2+2 5spd.(sold,10/09/05)
If you can't trust a Spanish used car dealer with an English sir name using a Cameroon e-mail account, who can you trust?

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tkr,
So, the LAW is your highest ideal, rather than the principals behind it?
Do you really believe that laws and penalties are necessarily the morals of a particular country?
The LAW is becoming less reflective of the morals and will of THE PEOPLE, and more the will of the STATE, which of course reasons that it can live well outside them. YOU break the law, and woe unto you. The President or a congressman breaks the law... no (or minimal) consequences.
And you say it's IMMORAL to even SUGGEST that penalties under whatever land's LAW might be innappropriate (which I certainly DO suggest if they hang kids for wrecking expensive cars in the U.K.)?! Amazing...
BEWARE of making the State your God.
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Ilya,
agreed, community hours and stiff monetary penalty would seem suitable.
Regarding dictatorships and crime rate, it would seem OBVIOUS to me (and less so to many, apparently), that at some point the CURE of authoritarianism is far more evil and more despicable than the illness (i.e., crime)!

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"So, the LAW is your highest ideal, rather than the principals behind it?"
wrong again.
the principal is: do not take from someone else. if you do, there will be a penalty. THEY chose to accept the penalty (whatever it is in this case).
to do a serious crime and expect no serious penalty is immoral.

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Your use of the word "immoral" confuses me. Obviously, it is immoral to wreck someone else's property, but you say it is immoral to do so AND EXPECT NO PENALTY. As if to say that it is perfectly MORAL to wreck someone's property IF you do so expecting to take the penalty. Bizarre.
Whether there is a penalty or not, it is immoral.

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no. i said it would be immoral NOT to bring down the full weight of the law for the crime. not doing so would be immoral. and yes, if you wreck someones property you SHOULD expect to be punished.
i don't give a rats rear (nor should the law)whether the person doing the crime thinks he's moral in causing the destruction or not. either way, he's liable for damages caused.

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Dan,
I would rule my kingdom with a velvet-gloved iron fist!
It is human's natures to be led.
I would gladly make these dicisions, and relieve many burdens form everyday people.
And their evisceration would be televised for entertainment puropses!
What more could your King to to prevent crime, if not televise the consequences to truly deter those who have the mental deficiencies to abrogate personal property rights!
Muaahahahahahahahahahahahha!
People Are Idiots, Just look around here and you will see!
Tony D: "Knowledgeable but Caustic"... rationull
My brother from another mother calls himself "Willie D"

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Oh NO, the great and terrible TonyD!!!!!
Revelation 13:1
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
13:2
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

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if you are sober and see a 7 headed spotted thing with hairy feet, then things will be different. till then, we will (just like christ did) follow the LAW.

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Romans 7:1-6
7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

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lol, i love paul talking to the romans. now name just ONE roman law that christ violated while on earth. just one, seriously. waiting....

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When did I ever suggest such a thing? That wouldn't be pertinent to my point at all.
Of course Christ (being moral) didn't violate many (any?) laws.
You seem to think I'm advocating lawlessness, or anarchy. I'm not.

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"You seem to think I'm advocating lawlessness"
i keep saying follow the law (or else). you need to get off using the drugs, son.

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You WORSHIP the law. The LAW (man's law) is your GOD. You can't get enough of it. You want MORE!
Certainly I have nothing against following the law (for the most part), I do it all the time! But I don't recognize it as my highest authority.
You strike me as the kinda guy who'd suspend a kid from school (maybe even throw him in juvie, or the pen!) for having a butter knife with which to apply peanut butter to bread, becuase there's a zero-tolerance law against having knives at school.
And hey, I ain't yer SON:P

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One Tony to rule them all...
1973 240Z 4 screw SU's, Tokico HP's, Toyota Calipers
1946 Willys-Overland CJ-2A (restoration in progress)
2006 Ural Gear-Up

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lol... they will; be "dealt with" eventually.

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Wha? Aw dang, you guys missed it!
Hey, just so my, er, personal hygiene habits don't come up again, know that I say what I say only half-seriously (about the most I can ever muster), and nothing is intended (or indeed being taken) personally.
Suffice it to say, I'm not the least bit worried about all of MAN'S laws that I've gotten away with breaking. So far!
But I know the time of State domination of the individual is coming (has already come, really), and my libertarian ideals mark me as a man not of my time. I concede, you win.