Hello guys,
We now have the best braking kit available for the Lotus Elise/Exige. This kit is the same one that recently set a braking record at Car and Drivers Super 4 shootout in Michigan. Alcon's Monobloc 4 piston caliper, with a lightweight 26mm anulas rotor creates impressive stopping, with no fade on the track. This package stopped on avearge a whopping 90 feet shorter than a car with stock brakes from 140mph. This is an ideal upgrade for the track enthusiast, or the owner with some forced induction in the trunk. Have a great day guys!


http://www.ragnorakracing.com/catalo...46/1771464.htm I "THINK" ForcedFed used some sort of a B-Type variant (two-piece caliper machined out of a billet aluminum... superior material, less caliper flex and more $... racing setup with secondary dustshields). Just for clarification, you are selling cast mono-block calipers with this kit? Brett -

Does this setup increase or decrease the caliper offset and by how much? I overlooked Brett's name on the post. I thought it was a totally different shop. I "THINK" ForcedFed used some sort of a B-Type variant (two-piece caliper machined out of a billet aluminum... superior material, less caliper flex and more $... racing setup with secondary dustshields). Just for clarification, you are selling cast mono-block calipers with this kit?

The original kit had the Mono-block calipers, an dthe new kit now has the machined cast aluminum B-Type calipers with the lighter 26mm rotors. This kit will require 17 inch wheels up front for clearance. Thanks guys! ******This package stopped on avearge a whopping 90 feet shorter than a car with stock brakes from 140mph. ******

Can you better describe the brake test? Are you saying that you compared a stock Elise with the fully modded Elise? (engine, spoilers, wheels/tires, alignment, shocks/springs...) Or did you put the Alcons on a stock car or stock calipers on the modded car? Etc.

Also...what are the piston diameters? And what is done with the rear of the car? Is the Alcon-car properly proportioned? Are you interested in purchasing some brakes Stan??!! I would love to get you a set to put on your car. The comparasion was with another fully modded Elise that was running on better tires, better suspension at the same facility, same day. Neither car had any aero on pieces on the car. Let me know if you have any other questions Stan, or if you would like to place an order. Thanks mate.
The other car was fully modded and on better tires? Can you better describe the test and cars? It seems like you could be referring to the Car and Driver Superfour test. In that case the Alcon braked Elise had bigger wheels and tires than the stock braked Elise which used the base skinny 175 street tires and narrow wheels, stock street pads too.

Also...what are the piston diameters on the Alcon? And what is done with the rear of the car? Is the Alcon-car properly proportioned? I don't know about you, but I find it annoying when people don't compare apples to apples. If you're talking about one mod, you should compare a car without the mod and a car with the mod. I wouldn't think a big brake kit would offer *any* advantage over a single stop...even from 140mph (assuming you can get a stock Elise up to that speed!). Lockup is lockup and a bigger caliper doesn't do jack. Then there are the folks who want to sell race headers and claim XX HP increase and yet they are comparing the stock setup to a car with headers and an air intake. Has the art of a controlled experiment been lost? I don't know about you, but I find it annoying when people don't compare apples to apples. If you're talking about one mod, you should compare a car without the mod and a car with the mod. I wouldn't think a big brake kit would offer *any* advantage over a single stop...even from 140mph (assuming you can get a stock Elise up to that speed!). Lockup is lockup and a bigger caliper doesn't do jack. Then there are the folks who want to sell race headers and claim XX HP increase and yet they are comparing the stock setup to a car with headers and an air intake. Has the art of a controlled experiment been lost?
Exactly...same car...maybe compare stock...stock plus killer pads...and stock plus alcons....for a series of stops...distances and times are easy to datalog, and temperatures are easy to measure too. A fair protocol would be needed. You can't measure the temperature right after 10 stops for one car and 5 minutes later for another. Apples to Apples, only one change at a time..retest stock and the others later on as a control, etc. The skinny front base tires and narrow wheels are not at their best for an all out stop compared to the larger after market wheels and tires fitted to the alcon car. Also...wheel alignement issues can affect things and we don't know whether the superfour cars had been realigned or not.

Now...the Alcon car needs 17s up front...so that would need to be held constant too...but the other two options (stock and stock + pads only) should also be tested with the stock rollers too to get an idea of the change related to using 17s up front. We're talking about 90 feet here guys, wheels and tires can make a difference, but not that much! To my knowledge, there is no difference (or very small) in stopping between touring and sport package elise. It is clear that these brakes do improve deceleration, what is not clear is exactly by how much. We're talking about 90 feet here guys, wheels and tires can make a difference, but not that much! To my knowledge, there is no difference (or very small) in stopping between touring and sport package elise. It is clear that these brakes do improve deceleration, what is not clear is exactly by how much.
Ultimately the brakes don't stop the car, the tires do! That is what is gripping the ground.

Also note that this was a high speed braking test....at 140 MPH...in one second you travel over 200 feet. And they did 5 runs, each of which varied from the others. The FF car did outbrake the other Elise...but the only difference was not the brakes. There is variation and DNF to note...what was reported appears to be the single best run out of 5 runs.

Here are the results:
FF/Alcon:

140-0, feet 524.71 566.23 DNF 598.78 DNF
140-0, sec 5.56 5.79 DNF 6.18 DNF

Hondata/McCarthy:

140-0, feet 647.45 682.10 593.63 946.07 DNF
140-0, sec 6.79 7.28 6.04 10.80 DNF

I'm curious how the Hondata / McCarthy car would have braked had it used the same wheels and tires as the FF car...and used track pads. See...the FF car used track pads, big brakes, big rubber, etc so it is hard to pull out the individual contributions here. Who knows..maybe the FF car would do better than 90 feet if all were held constant. You really cannot credibly claim 90 feet from the Alcons..but you can claim that the best run between the cars was 90 feet different. There may have been different drivers too.

If you average the top three results from each and ignore the 2 DNFs for FF and 1 DNF for the other Elise we see:

FF braking average of 3 best stops: 563 feet....Hondata/McCarthy average: 641 feet => difference = 78 feet.

Note that there was some overlap...with the losing car beating the winning car for one of the three best runs, 594 verus 599 feet. Ultimately the brakes don't stop the car, the tires do! That is what is gripping the ground.

Also note that this was a high speed braking test....at 140 MPH...in one second you travel over 200 feet. And they did 5 runs, each of which varied from the others. The FF car did outbrake the other Elise...but the only difference was not the brakes. There is variation and DNF to note...what was reported appears to be the single best run out of 5 runs.

Here are the results:
FF/Alcon:

140-0, feet 524.71 566.23 DNF 598.78 DNF
140-0, sec 5.56 5.79 DNF 6.18 DNF

Hondata/McCarthy:

140-0, feet 647.45 682.10 593.63 946.07 DNF
140-0, sec 6.79 7.28 6.04 10.80 DNF

I'm curious how the Hondata / McCarthy car would have braked had it used the same wheels and tires as the FF car...and used track pads. See...the FF car used track pads, big brakes, big rubber, etc so it is hard to pull out the individual contributions here. Who knows..maybe the FF car would do better than 90 feet if all were held constant. You really cannot credibly claim 90 feet from the Alcons..but you can claim that the best run between the cars was 90 feet different. There may have been different drivers too.

If you average the top three results from each and ignore the 2 DNFs for FF and 1 DNF for the other Elise we see:

FF braking average of 3 best stops: 563 feet....Hondata/McCarthy average: 641 feet => difference = 78 feet.

Note that there was some overlap...with the losing car beating the winning car for one of the three best runs, 594 verus 599 feet.

Actually the Forcedfed car was hampered by it's inferior tire selection over the stock tires which the Hondata car ran. The BFG KD's are nowhere near as sticky as the factory Advans on the Elise. It would be interesting to see how the Alcon equipped Forcedfed car braked with the same rubber as the Hondata car. Somehow I think the braking distances would be improved by a significant margin for the Forcedfed/Alcon equipped car. According to the driver who struggled on the infield roadcourse( see video for evidence of lack of grip) the tires were not biting and lacked grip.

For my magazine shoot with the 280 RR you will see how the brakes work on the car with some better rubber. I am hoping for some braking records at the magazine shoots. We will see how short this car can stop. Actually the Forcedfed car was hampered by it's inferior tire selection over the stock tires which the Hondata car ran. The BFG KD's are nowhere near as sticky as the factory Advans on the Elise. It would be interesting to see how the Alcon equipped Forcedfed car braked with the same rubber as the Hondata car. Somehow I think the braking distances would be improved by a significant margin for the Forcedfed/Alcon equipped car. According to the driver who struggled on the infield roadcourse( see video for evidence of lack of grip) the tires were not biting and lacked grip.
For my magazine shoot with the 280 RR you will see how the brakes work on the car with some better rubber. I am hoping for some braking records at the magazine shoots. We will see how short this car can stop.
Brett..I'm not doubting that Alcons on the Elise can help it stop better. I'm saying that with all the other differences between the two cars...you can't really attribute that exclusively to the brake parts.

Look at Tire Rack's recent Yokohama Neova AD07 versus G-force KD test. In braking, they found a 3 foot difference in favor of the AD07 over the old KD:



However...you ran larger diameter and wider KDs on a wider and lighter wheel than the other car. Up front your tires were much wider. Not sure about out back.

If you want to max out the braking...things like the F/R and L/R balance have to be spot on, the whole deal has to be controllable, used in it's best temperature ranges and the whole deal has to be stable. For the best braking (at the expense of cornering) you need to keep the tires as flat as possible on the ground - which might mean using much less negative camber up front.

On your stability comments...well some of that can be affected by your wheel alignment for example.

To claim that a mod did something like cutting 90 feet in a one-time 140 MPH to 0 MPH test requires that only the mod was changed. Not half dozen other things at the same time. Also in terms of braking...a series of stops would tend to highlight fade advantages your setup may offer. Hello guys - just wanted to clear up some confusion about the brake kit. I head the sales team here at STaSIS Engineering and we build the brake kit in question using the finest Alcon Components. Here are the specs:

Caliper:
Alcon P-Type cast aluminum caliper ( 5.4 lbs each ) with stainless steel pistons ( dust/wiper seals and pressure seals for all weather durability ) utilizing advanced retraction seal technology for the ultimate in caliper reaction time.




Disc Assembly:
328mm x 28mm 48 vane segmented slot competition developed Alcon rotors with an aluminum vented hub/hat and floating drive system (12 lbs each ) provide durability and expansion during thermal loading to eliminate warping. Dual staged pick up directional venting and large air gap provide maximum heat dissipation for repetitive use without fade. The system reduces weight, isolates heat from the bearings and increases driver confidence with absolute fade free stopping time after time.



In conjunction with proper pad chioce and stainless Goodridge Brakelines our kit lets you have your cake and eat it too. The Elise kit features OEM like all season durability, silent full floating operation and solid cold performance AND consistent eye-popping deceleration and fade free easy modulating pedal feel lap after lap after lap.

Here is a quick demonstration of how the system works - removing heat from the disc and allowing for thermal movement.......

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let me know if you have any questions...

Thanks

Jason@stasisengineering.com