I have noticed alot of 240SX owners suddenly dropping SR20DET motors in their cars. I also have seen RB series motors in them too. I was wondering, after I finish paying the car off, how hard would it be to put a RB26DETT and Transmission from a R34 Skyline GT-R in a 350Z? I think this would be the Ultimate ride. Think about it, super car looks, with super car performance, and 100% JDM reliabilty. I can't wait. Watch, the 350Z is going to be a sought after car in a few years....just for this purpose.


1990 300ZX N/A 2+2 --- 00' to 01'
2004 Black Enthusiast 6spd --- 04' to ?
(nicknamed "Maxine")



What????

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so your saying no V engine can achieve 1000HP? Thats bullcrap. The VQ35 can achieve 1000HP. There is soo much you can do internal wise to handle it. Open your naive mind. It is possible.

78 280z Black Pearl 132K miles? could be 232k miles? who knows...



"Datsun: We Are Driven"



True... but the 350's V design puts out tons more Torque in comparable horsepower ranges. For example, an RB26 was modded to around 600whp, and a VG30 (Z32 V6) was modded the same. The VG made around 700 lb/ft torque at something like 5k rpm, and the RB made about 550 lb/ft at 7k rpm. The VQ35 has almost 1 LITRE more in displacement, use that to your advantage!



I just built my RB26dett motor going in my 260z, and I can telll you $20,000 will just be getting you started....

I have that in just the cost of the motor set, and all the goodies that need to go inside/onto the motor.

There are tons of unseen costs when it comes to putting a different motor in a car than what came in it...

BTW, I belive Nissan screwed up by not keeping the RB26dett motor, and using it in the 350z!!
Thats just my opinion thou....

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http://www.putfile.com/rb26powered74zcar/images/38187



Oh gosh Nextizel, heaven forbid you put a superior engine in the 350z, especially considering its at least a NISSAN engine, not to mention the best engine type Nissan makes.....the rb26dett is almost legendary, why would anyone want to have engine that makes a vq look like a go cart engine??

'93 Red TT 5 speed; Bone stock for now, but still kicks ass!




TTZpower... don't let the overated JDM hype blind you... the RB26 is getting old. The design is getting old, and other Nissan engines are surpassing it. Sure, the RB26 is legendary (as it should be), but by no means is it the BEST engine Nissan ever made. The RB26 is best used in its originally intended form--the Skyline. Again I say, the VG30DETT put out more torque per hp then the RB26, and I am sure that the VQ35 will soon prove that it can be fiercely competitive in high HP applications.

In short: Don't rape your new engine out of your car for a swap with a sometimes 15 year old inline six. You will have oil circulation problem in one of the cylinders (as all high HP RB26's have), and remember, if you break something, good luck trying to find parts.



I wonder why Nissan never brought it to America? With all the Fast & Furious hype and Skyline hype, you would think they'd make a RB26DETT car here in America (on a 4WD ATESSA platform, of course).

I think they would sell like hotcakes and be EXTREMELY popular.

It's my prediction that the new Skyline will just be a common car with a Skyline badge, sucking in ignorant buyers.

<EDIT> Jesus Christ J. Soileau, your Z rocks!!!

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The RB isn't superior, it's just more robust than most engines, comparable to maybe the MK4 platform durability wise, otherwise nearly unmatched. As Will_K mentioned, the z32 3.0ltr v6 consistently pushes significantly more tq per horsepower acheived than the supra or rb. However, there are probably less than 10 street legal 700rwhp+ z32s in the states, compared to hundreds of supras, for a reason.

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Zlover, are we talking stock vg vs. stock rb or modded?? The skyline engine was designed way ahead of its time, and can take more abuse than the vg or the vq, its engineering is perfect. So what if its getting a little old?? German cars often times use the same engine types for years, if its not broke, why fix it?? The skyline is a superior car than our Z's, so what if Its design might be aging just a pinch? Z1 Zonly, maybe the skyline wasn't brought over here because americans are bargain shoppers?? The price would be out of the leagues of many, save the 6 figure people and above. Why do you think sales weren't good for the z32?? or the mitsubishi vr-4? or the supra, for that matter?

'93 Red TT 5 speed; Bone stock for now, but still kicks ass!




"Oh gosh Nextizel, heaven forbid you put a superior engine in the 350z, especially considering its at least a NISSAN engine, not to mention the best engine type Nissan makes.....the rb26dett is almost legendary, why would anyone want to have engine that makes a vq look like a go cart engine??"

Becuase it would be unnecessary other than to say I put an RB26 in my 350z. Anyone you tell that to would ask WHY!?!?. But hey if you have $30,000++ to blow go right ahead, strengthen the economy. Just buy a damn skyline jeez. Or go ahead and drop the RB26 into a 350z and i'll buy the VQ35 from you, drop it into my Z and beat you at the track!

78 280z Black Pearl 132K miles? could be 232k miles? who knows...



"Datsun: We Are Driven"



I guess you guys are right, too expensive. I just thought since everyone is doing it on a 240SX, why not a 350Z. Thankz, I see all your points. I was just curious.


1990 300ZX N/A 2+2 --- 00' to 01'
2004 Black Enthusiast 6spd --- 04' to ?
(nicknamed "Maxine")



Not much point in arguing which stock motor is better. Almost any engine made, nissan especially, will run well over 100k decently maintained; and their horsepower/tq numbers are widely available. I was speaking of potential of the drivetrain. I don't think the skyline is superior to the z32. I'd rather be going 180mph, straight line or turning, in a correctly modified z32 than a skyline of the same character. I wouldn't say the engineering is perfect because it is not, but it may be close to the best for its particular purpose. I have immese respect for all of the skyline generations and their platforms, although the RWD rb25det is my favorite.

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19[I4]94 Integra GSR Sedan
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aka SAHTT




well of course I"m not saying that other nissan engines are bad, but as of yet, no one is convincing me or showing me ample evidence that there is a better nissan made engine other than the rb, after all, the skyline is nissan's racing platform in super taikyu endurance races, and is widely used because of its immense potential as an engine. Hey spudea, good luck getting a vq to beat a vg or an rb on the track...lol..... Dont get me wrong, I know the vg is a very well built motor, and is capable of much hp, but I think there's a reason why the skyline is most of the time, (not always) nissans choice of car to use for real racing applications. But hey, thats why we all have nissans to begin with, I'm not trying to bag on any nissan cars, but I think our cars can't truly be compared across the board so easily like we make it out to be. Enjoy the Z's folks.......

'93 Red TT 5 speed; Bone stock for now, but still kicks ass!




"good luck getting a vq to beat a vg or an rb on the track...lol....."

it wouldn't be that hard really. Just give the vq35 what the RB26 has, two turbos.

78 280z Black Pearl 132K miles? could be 232k miles? who knows...



"Datsun: We Are Driven"



R34 GTR weighs ~3400 while the Z32TT was ~3500. I've seen variations on Z32TT weight but when it comes down to it, it still weighs more than the GTRs.

R34 GTR specs ()

0 - 60 mph [secs] 4.9
0 - 100 mph [secs] 12.3
1/4 mile [secs at mph] 13.7 at 103.5
Curb Weight [lb (kg)] 3395 (1540)


Looks like your numbers for the R34 GTR are similar/were pulled from the Road and Track magazine. So I looked it up and found some interesting text to go along with it.

Quote:

"At the test track, our bright blue test car ran to 60mph in just 5.2 seconds and reached the quarter mile in 13.7. Because our test car had only 350 miles on the odometer (and the engine hadn't properly broken in), we are confident that slightly faster acceleration times are possible after more mileage is accrued."

13.7 is the fastest I've seen for the Z32 while I've seen even faster for the GTRs.

As I said before, it handles better than the Zs. More importantly than drag racing , if you put both stock gtr and z32tt on a road course, the GTR would win. Your "Import Ricer Hype" statements have nothing to do with it.



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TTZpower wrote:

> But hey, thats why we all have nissans to begin with, I'm not trying to bag on any nissan cars, but I think our cars can't truly be compared across the board so easily like we make it out to be. Enjoy the Z's folks.......


Exactly. However, some still fail to realize this.



Ven, not arguing, but a thought.

The weight issue isn't really that bad. By converting a NAZ to TT, it would put you around 3300lbs by removing the HICAS and adjustable suspension, etc. Much less if you converted a slicktop Z to TT.

And...

GT-R's get significantly better drag and 0-60 times because of the simple launching. The Z, with its uneaven front weight distribution, spins tires like a bad motha shut-yo-mouth. Not an ideal drag car at all.

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ok, but some counter thoughts

- discussion was about stock cars. Not removing things, converting ect.

- R34 also got better times because it was slightly more powerful.



lets just drop this subject... some of you guys are a little toooo sensative about the subject, so lets just drop it...move on to the next post!


1990 300ZX N/A 2+2 --- 00' to 01'
2004 Black Enthusiast 6spd --- 04' to ?
(nicknamed "Maxine")



Next time do some actual research before asking things like "Can I drop this in my car?" or "How hard would it be to drop...ect".

That way, you won't look a fool like you did in this thread.



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320bhp (R-34) vs. 300bhp (Z32). 4wd drivetrain loss vs. RWD drivetrain loss? They're probably putting down the exact same numbers.



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well that fits nice and snug don't it. Looks right at home for some reason?!?!?! Damn Nissan!

78 280z Black Pearl 132K miles? could be 232k miles? who knows...



"Datsun: We Are Driven"



That would have sold a lot more 350z.



tdotzed wrote:

> That would have sold a lot more 350z.

It think it's safe to say it would've sold a lot more Nissan cars of which it was put into.



since they don't sell the skyline in the US they could of at least of put the RB engine in the 350Z.........

78 280z Black Pearl 132K miles? could be 232k miles? who knows...



"Datsun: We Are Driven"





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Pete1978z: "It's not that I think stupidity should be punishable by death, I just think we should take the warning labels off of everything and let the problem take care of itself."



yeah but if it did have that motor, base model would be $30000+

78 280z Black Pearl 132K miles? could be 232k miles? who knows...



"Datsun: We Are Driven"



Ok, how many pictures do we need? Just post the links.....



As many as it takes.

I'm okay with smaller pictures that don't resize the entire friggin window, but the ginormous ones have to go...

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I finally found what I've been looking for - Import Racer's October edition did a feature on this car.

"Last year the car utilized the factory VQ35 motor that Kobayashi said didn't have enough power. Switching to a Top Secret RB26 power plant gave Kobayashi plenty of power. The #23 car features a single HKS T04Z turbo that boosts this car to estimated levels of 850hp. The reason that there is no set amount of horsepower is because as the altitude changes and the air gets thinner, the horsepower changes drastically. Notice also that the engine is recessed back into the mid-section of the car giving it improved balance. The exhaust on this car is an open system that exits out of pipe flames on the side of the car.

Take notice of the heavily modified suspension and framing in both the front and rear of this car as it is completely redesigned for strength, travel, and rigidity. The frame is also reinforced by the side of the car as can be seen by the triple tubing welded by the drivers seat. The #23 car has been heavily lightened, it weighs in at close to TWENTY ONE HUNDRED POUNDS. This car is definitely the faster and more aggressive of the two because the Unlimited Class inwhich it competes allows it."

More notes:
The Top Secret RB26DETT was stroked to 2.8L
Both of this team's RB'd 350's feature the AWD Skyline GT-R 6-speed
The insane one in question is driven by Katsuo Kobayashi if anyone else wants to research it.

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Looks like two different cars to me... one with tube frame, the other not.

http://www.putfile.com/rb26powered74zcar/images/38187



I'd be happy with a healthy 400whp on a almost stock RB setup... but damn those modified Nissan inlines are SWEEEET! Also, would an SR20DET fit pretty comfortably in there? I know a drifter by the name of Forsberg (i think) who did one, don't know the specifics though...Thanks for the pics boSdee7 and Z1 ONLY!!


1990 300ZX N/A 2+2 --- 00' to 01'
2004 Black Enthusiast 6spd --- 04' to ?
(nicknamed "Maxine")



Sorry everyone just had to post, some people are idiots.

About the RB design vs. the VG- An engines potential when given unlimited resources are soley based on DISPLACEMENT, 3.0 vs. 2.6, hmm with enough time and money you could easily make more power out of a VG. Also notice all the RB's in the 500 and 600 hp range and notice how much boost they run vs. the VG with the same power, they generally run about 10-15% more boost too make up for the lack of dispalcement. An inline engine generally tends to have a strong bottom end, and much easier to work on then a V design engine(more room). A V design tends to disperse heat better, generate more torque, and IMHO sound much better. The RB like stated before allows for a big single turbo, while the VG with out serious modification requires two smaller turbos.The skyline has the advantage with about 100X more turbo's available being able to go single or twin. These are some of the main reasons why people choose the RB over the VG when tuning a high powered engine, but in the last couple years the VG has seen power numbers in fully built RB territory.

enough rambling, In the end theres no replacement for displacement. And again sorry for posting in a dead topic, but figured some idiots needed to be educated.

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